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C00065 00002 ∂01-Oct-85 0310 @SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA:rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM Re: jmc's macsyma
C00070 00003 ∂01-Oct-85 0715 reid@glacier Bosack
C00071 00004 ∂01-Oct-85 1119 LERNER@SU-SCORE.ARPA Renaissance Thanksgiving dinner...
C00075 00005 ∂01-Oct-85 1338 VAL Seminar announcement
C00079 00006 ∂01-Oct-85 1707 S.STEUBER@LOTS-C Your account
C00081 00007 ∂01-Oct-85 2100 JMC
C00082 00008 ∂01-Oct-85 2353 JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: jmc's macsyma
C00083 00009 ∂02-Oct-85 0029 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa CSD Computer Facilities meeting
C00086 00010 ∂02-Oct-85 0224 THOMASON@C.CS.CMU.EDU re: Want to talk?
C00087 00011 ∂02-Oct-85 0848 SJG reference?
C00088 00012 ∂02-Oct-85 1109 THOMASON@C.CS.CMU.EDU re: Want to talk?
C00089 00013 ∂02-Oct-85 1124 LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA Math/CS Library: Parallel Programming In ANSI Standard Ada
C00090 00014 ∂02-Oct-85 1126 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Chris Goad
C00091 00015 ∂02-Oct-85 1230 RA orientation meeting
C00092 00016 ∂02-Oct-85 1458 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
C00093 00017 ∂02-Oct-85 1603 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA talking
C00094 00018 ∂02-Oct-85 1630 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA
C00095 00019 ∂02-Oct-85 2012 GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA someone interested in Non-mon and recursion
C00098 00020 ∂02-Oct-85 2357 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: CSD Computer Facilities meeting
C00100 00021 ∂03-Oct-85 1045 spar!hayes@decwrl.ARPA re: talking
C00101 00022 ∂03-Oct-85 1132 CLT calendar item
C00102 00023 ∂03-Oct-85 1309 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00104 00024 ∂03-Oct-85 1507 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
C00105 00025 ∂03-Oct-85 1507 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
C00109 00026 ∂03-Oct-85 1615 RA leave at 4:30
C00110 00027 ∂03-Oct-85 1712 VAL Seminar Announcement
C00115 00028 ∂03-Oct-85 1743 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: news from Taiwan
C00122 00029 ∂03-Oct-85 1801 WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA japanese
C00124 00030 ∂03-Oct-85 1819 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA mcc
C00125 00031 ∂03-Oct-85 2348 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00126 00032 ∂04-Oct-85 0000 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: news from Taiwan
C00130 00033 ∂04-Oct-85 0032 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00138 00034 ∂04-Oct-85 0833 AI.ELLIE@MCC.ARPA Hotel reservations
C00139 00035 ∂04-Oct-85 0857 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting Wed. Oct. 9th at 4:30 pm
C00140 00036 ∂04-Oct-85 1131 TW Plan for the PhD committee
C00145 00037 ∂04-Oct-85 1230 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA Friday lunch
C00146 00038 ∂04-Oct-85 1332 RA Prof. Alan Rowe
C00147 00039 ∂04-Oct-85 1510 100 (from: anonymous on TTY74, at TV-140)
C00148 00040 ∂04-Oct-85 1604 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa Sail Mail
C00149 00041 ∂04-Oct-85 1626 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa Anonymous mail
C00151 00042 ∂04-Oct-85 1634 Mailer failed mail returned
C00152 00043 ∂04-Oct-85 1708 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA private (not for BBoards)
C00156 00044 ∂04-Oct-85 1732 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Mosher
C00157 00045 ∂04-Oct-85 1740 KUO@SU-SIERRA.ARPA respect
C00158 00046 ∂04-Oct-85 1836 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Mosher
C00161 00047 ∂04-Oct-85 2000 CLT
C00162 00048 ∂05-Oct-85 0947 CLT
C00163 00049 ∂05-Oct-85 1239 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA draft letter
C00170 00050 ∂05-Oct-85 1354 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Course Descriptions
C00174 00051 ∂05-Oct-85 1421 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA your question
C00177 00052 ∂05-Oct-85 1714 PMF@S1-A.ARPA
C00179 00053 ∂05-Oct-85 2253 VAL re: your circumscription
C00184 00054 ∂06-Oct-85 1002 SANKAR@SU-SCORE.ARPA communism and democracy, how they differ
C00193 00055 ∂07-Oct-85 0049 VAL Consistency of new circumscription
C00197 00056 ∂07-Oct-85 1333 SMC inference meeting
C00198 00057 ∂07-Oct-85 1406 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:SHOHAM@YALE.ARPA minimality criterion of circumscription
C00202 00058 ∂07-Oct-85 1413 SMC Paper from home
C00203 00059 ∂07-Oct-85 1428 SMC Inference meeting
C00204 00060 ∂07-Oct-85 1533 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Chris Goad
C00206 00061 ∂07-Oct-85 1725 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B An answer to your questions
C00210 00062 ∂07-Oct-85 1821 klawe.sjrlvm1%ibm-sj.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA letter about the work of Fagin, Halpern and Vardi
C00212 00063 ∂08-Oct-85 0731 minker@mimsy.umd.edu Re: missing paper
C00213 00064 ∂08-Oct-85 0922 SMC phone call
C00214 00065 ∂08-Oct-85 0927 TW time for meetings
C00215 00066 ∂08-Oct-85 1023 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Palo Alto Cable Co-op
C00218 00067 ∂08-Oct-85 1102 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Cable Co-op leftist?
C00220 00068 ∂08-Oct-85 1114 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA what public access TV is like
C00226 00069 ∂08-Oct-85 1253 SJG reference needed
C00227 00070 ∂08-Oct-85 1453 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA re: PLANLUNCH mailing list
C00228 00071 ∂08-Oct-85 1554 B.BOWIE@LOTS-A Here's some data for you!
C00231 00072 ∂08-Oct-85 1603 B.BOWIE@LOTS-A more data
C00235 00073 ∂08-Oct-85 1649 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B more dat to consume
C00237 00074 ∂08-Oct-85 1658 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee Meeting
C00238 00075 ∂08-Oct-85 1705 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B even furthere data...
C00239 00076 ∂08-Oct-85 1939 yg%ciprnet.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Colloquium
C00241 00077 ∂08-Oct-85 2135 ME Prancing Pony Bill
C00243 00078 ∂09-Oct-85 0845 SMC mail
C00244 00079 ∂09-Oct-85 0918 SMC phone message
C00245 00080 ∂09-Oct-85 1338 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00246 00081 ∂09-Oct-85 1400 JMC
C00247 00082 ∂09-Oct-85 1542 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]
C00251 00083 ∂09-Oct-85 1621 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00252 00084 ∂09-Oct-85 2206 SHORTLIFFE@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Cog Science Society Proposal
C00256 00085 ∂10-Oct-85 0930 TW PhD committee meeting Tuesday at 2:15
C00258 00086 ∂10-Oct-85 1037 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Last meeting and next meeting
C00262 00087 ∂10-Oct-85 1056 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting with Nils
C00263 00088 ∂10-Oct-85 1115 berglund@su-pescadero.arpa My mailing address
C00264 00089 ∂10-Oct-85 1411 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA NEXT MONDAY'S PLANLUNCH
C00270 00090 ∂10-Oct-85 1451 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00272 00091 ∂10-Oct-85 1558 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Julie M. Parker <JPARKER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Re: [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]]
C00278 00092 ∂10-Oct-85 1905 SJG reply to ignored message
C00280 00093 ∂11-Oct-85 0057 NORMAN@SRI-AI.ARPA Files archived from directory <PS:<COMMONSENSE>>
C00282 00094 ∂11-Oct-85 0915 WILKINS@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00284 00095 ∂11-Oct-85 1016 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting with Nils today
C00285 00096 ∂11-Oct-85 1030 PETTY@RED.RUTGERS.EDU technical reports mailing
C00289 00097 ∂11-Oct-85 1031 SJG 1985 DAI workshop
C00290 00098 ∂11-Oct-85 1048 SJG lunch on Monday
C00291 00099 ∂11-Oct-85 1318 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU visiting student request
C00295 00100 ∂11-Oct-85 1719 lynch@umunhum Re: re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00298 00101 ∂11-Oct-85 1958 PURVES@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: campus life (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00299 00102 ∂11-Oct-85 2252 SJG unfair to Cartesian counterfactuals?
C00304 00103 ∂13-Oct-85 1247 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth Draft Letter
C00310 00104 ∂13-Oct-85 1253 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Genesereth Draft Letter
C00312 00105 ∂13-Oct-85 1301 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Proposed Course
C00323 00106 ∂13-Oct-85 1308 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Pony billing for coffee pool
C00325 00107 ∂13-Oct-85 1818 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA MONDAY PLANLUNCH -- REMINDER!
C00328 00108 ∂13-Oct-85 1853 CLT Eleanor message
C00329 00109 ∂13-Oct-85 2145 SHORTLIFFE@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Proposed Course
C00332 00110 ∂14-Oct-85 0854 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
C00333 00111 ∂14-Oct-85 0900 JMC
C00334 00112 ∂14-Oct-85 1003 ullman@su-aimvax.arpa Parallel Computing Center
C00342 00113 ∂14-Oct-85 1029 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C00343 00114 ∂14-Oct-85 1033 BERG@SU-SCORE.ARPA office hours for TA's
C00345 00115 ∂14-Oct-85 1105 RA Yuri Gurevich
C00346 00116 ∂14-Oct-85 1126 RA Re: Yuri Gurevich
C00347 00117 ∂14-Oct-85 1143 RA Thursday trips
C00348 00118 ∂14-Oct-85 1345 RA doctor's appointment
C00349 00119 ∂14-Oct-85 1351 RA Robotics Search Committee
C00350 00120 ∂14-Oct-85 1526 SJG the woman
C00351 00121 ∂14-Oct-85 1551 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Meeting tomorrow--room change
C00352 00122 ∂14-Oct-85 1607 RA MAD
C00353 00123 ∂14-Oct-85 1718 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa bboard message
C00357 00124 ∂14-Oct-85 1740 CLT
C00358 00125 ∂14-Oct-85 1752 CLT
C00359 00126 ∂14-Oct-85 1828 JFINGER@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Terrorists (cont'd)
C00363 00127 ∂14-Oct-85 2114 CHRIS@SU-CSLI.ARPA [Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Terrorists (cont'd)]
C00367 00128 ∂15-Oct-85 0000 JMC
C00368 00129 ∂15-Oct-85 0832 WHITNEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: the woman
C00369 00130 ∂15-Oct-85 1010 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Stanford Video Journal - AI Volume
C00372 00131 ∂15-Oct-85 1019 SJG tape siglunch?
C00373 00132 ∂15-Oct-85 1028 CLT car
C00374 00133 ∂15-Oct-85 1139 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: lunch
C00376 00134 ∂15-Oct-85 1211 CLT mtc course
C00379 00135 ∂15-Oct-85 1241 @MIT-MULTICS.ARPA:Bernard←Galler@UMich-MTS.Mailnet
C00382 00136 ∂15-Oct-85 1433 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
C00383 00137 ∂15-Oct-85 1434 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA additional
C00385 00138 ∂15-Oct-85 1455 RPG History Question
C00386 00139 ∂15-Oct-85 1513 RPG DARPA
C00387 00140 ∂15-Oct-85 1520 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: lunch
C00389 00141 ∂15-Oct-85 1728 CLT
C00391 00142 ∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
C00392 00143 ∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
C00393 00144 ∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
C00394 00145 ∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
C00395 00146 ∂22-Oct-85 1549 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting tomorrow at 4:00 pm.
C00397 00147 ∂22-Oct-85 1826 CLT
C00398 00148 ∂22-Oct-85 1909 SCHULZ@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS:306 notes and test-taking conditios
C00400 00149 ∂22-Oct-85 1915 JMC@S1-A.ARPA
C00401 00150 ∂22-Oct-85 1916 AI.JMC@MCC.ARPA next visit
C00402 00151 ∂22-Oct-85 1921 LLW@S1-A.ARPA SDI Computability, Etc.
C00407 00152 ∂22-Oct-85 1933 D.DEIRDRE@LOTS-C Class Directories
C00409 00153 ∂22-Oct-85 2113 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA people
C00410 00154 ∂23-Oct-85 0532 derek%nmsu.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Workshop on Foundations of AI
C00412 00155 ∂23-Oct-85 0659 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU your sponsoring my stay at Stanford
C00415 00156 ∂23-Oct-85 0900 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA Greg Bledsoe, RIP
C00416 00157 ∂23-Oct-85 0922 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA Woody's Home Address
C00417 00158 ∂23-Oct-85 1333 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA promotion
C00419 00159 ∂23-Oct-85 1408 AI.COMSTOCK@MCC.ARPA Tragedy in Bledsoe Family
C00420 00160 ∂23-Oct-85 1447 CLT tonight
C00421 00161 ∂24-Oct-85 1018 RA Yorick Wilks
C00422 00162 ∂24-Oct-85 1129 RA MAD
C00423 00163 ∂24-Oct-85 1130 RA CS306
C00424 00164 ∂24-Oct-85 1229 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00426 00165 ∂24-Oct-85 1409 RA Jussi Ketonen
C00427 00166 ∂24-Oct-85 1416 RA John Williams, IBM
C00428 00167 ∂24-Oct-85 1539 RA leave early
C00429 00168 ∂24-Oct-85 1542 VAL New syntax for abnormality
C00430 00169 ∂24-Oct-85 1602 VAL applications of circ'n to temporal reasoning
C00432 00170 ∂24-Oct-85 1621 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA PLANLUNCH RESUMES MONDAY....
C00434 00171 ∂24-Oct-85 1834 MOGUL@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Student Unix machine (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00437 00172 ∂24-Oct-85 1900 JMC
C00438 00173 ∂25-Oct-85 0944 RA AAAI conference in Las Cruces in February
C00439 00174 ∂25-Oct-85 1011 STAN@SRI-AI.ARPA robotics
C00440 00175 ∂25-Oct-85 1048 STAN@SRI-AI.ARPA re: robotics
C00441 00176 ∂25-Oct-85 1103 CLT CS:306 notes
C00442 00177 ∂25-Oct-85 1149 SJG Nicaragua learns ...
C00445 00178 ∂25-Oct-85 1225 VAL Yoav Shoham's message
C00446 00179 ∂25-Oct-85 1410 ALS XGP fonts on DOVER
C00448 00180 ∂25-Oct-85 1416 ALS typo correction
C00449 00181 ∂25-Oct-85 1425 SJG recommendation for Genesereth
C00450 00182 ∂25-Oct-85 1449 avg@su-aimvax.arpa Spending by Govt Leaders
C00452 00183 ∂25-Oct-85 1541 ME msg maybe for you??
C00454 00184 ∂25-Oct-85 1734 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA meeting
C00455 00185 ∂25-Oct-85 1833 CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA re: Cheap ET Material Mission
C00456 00186 ∂25-Oct-85 2000 RESTIVO@SU-SCORE.ARPA playing with one piece short
C00457 00187 ∂26-Oct-85 1613 CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA Eric Drexler
C00458 00188 ∂27-Oct-85 0150 100 (from: jmc on TTY20)
C00459 00189 ∂27-Oct-85 1509 JK meeting
C00460 00190 ∂27-Oct-85 2218 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA Sierra Club
C00464 00191 ∂27-Oct-85 2240 reid@glacier eyeglasses
C00465 00192 ∂28-Oct-85 0756 JK
C00466 00193 ∂28-Oct-85 0800 JMC
C00467 00194 ∂28-Oct-85 0821 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: American Academy of Arts and Sciences
C00469 00195 ∂28-Oct-85 0820 ALS XGP fonts to the DOVER
C00472 00196 ∂28-Oct-85 0905 RA Sarah's birthday
C00473 00197 ∂28-Oct-85 0958 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Harvard
C00475 00198 ∂28-Oct-85 1050 RA
C00479 00199 ∂28-Oct-85 1124 RA your letters
C00480 00200 ∂28-Oct-85 1136 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA PhD meeting this Tuesday 2:15 in 200-205
C00481 00201 ∂28-Oct-85 1259 VAL Non-monotonic seminar - Reminder
C00483 00202 ∂28-Oct-85 1311 RA staff meeting
C00484 00203 ∂28-Oct-85 1417 RICHER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: More on the Sierra Club
C00485 00204 ∂28-Oct-85 1426 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: Sierra Club
C00488 00205 ∂28-Oct-85 1506 RA Kurt Ceel, future student
C00489 00206 ∂28-Oct-85 1511 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: More on the Sierra Club
C00491 00207 ∂28-Oct-85 1531 RA Unver Kaynak's orals
C00492 00208 ∂29-Oct-85 0831 RA Letter to Paul Martin
C00493 00209 ∂29-Oct-85 0900 JMC
C00494 00210 ∂29-Oct-85 1119 CLT calendar item
C00495 00211 ∂29-Oct-85 1137 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Parallel Computing Center
C00499 00212 ∂29-Oct-85 2149 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA The talk
C00501 00213 ∂30-Oct-85 1055 JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA keys to offices
C00502 00214 ∂30-Oct-85 1644 VAL Non-Monotonic Seminar
C00504 00215 ∂30-Oct-85 2346 LES Draft solicitation
C00510 00216 ∂31-Oct-85 0037 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA November coffee money due
C00511 00217 ∂31-Oct-85 0937 RA doctor appointment
C00512 00218 ∂31-Oct-85 1018 VAL moving blocks
C00514 00219 ∂31-Oct-85 1056 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C00515 00220 ∂31-Oct-85 1350 KARP@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA LaBrea
C00518 00221 ∂31-Oct-85 1514 RA [Reply to message recvd: 31 Oct 85 14:42 Pacific Time]
C00519 00222 ∂31-Oct-85 1559 GIVAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA cs306 pset 3--problem with a problem (metaproblem?)
C00521 00223 ∂31-Oct-85 1618 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Freedom for LaBrea]
C00523 00224 ∂01-Nov-85 0820 SMC Vet school application fee.
C00524 00225 ∂01-Nov-85 0932 VAL two practical questions
C00525 00226 ∂01-Nov-85 1000 JMC
C00526 00227 ∂01-Nov-85 1024 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Re: LaBrea
C00528 00228 ∂01-Nov-85 1212 SMC fee
C00529 00229 ∂01-Nov-85 1254 RA leaving
C00530 00230 ∂01-Nov-85 1424 GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA
C00531 00231 ∂01-Nov-85 1624 LES Editor-based Operating System
C00536 00232 ∂01-Nov-85 1643 LES Editor-based Operating System
C00541 00233 ∂01-Nov-85 1843 ME Prancing Pony Bill
C00543 00234 ∂01-Nov-85 2118 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: message from Brian Reid
C00545 00235 ∂01-Nov-85 2148 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: The talk
C00547 00236 ∂02-Nov-85 0918 CLT dinner
C00548 00237 ∂02-Nov-85 0931 CLT dishwasher
C00551 00238 ∂03-Nov-85 1018 CLT Might you be interested in the UCB lecture?
C00552 00239 ∂03-Nov-85 2000 JMC
C00553 00240 ∂04-Nov-85 0800 JMC
C00554 00241 ∂04-Nov-85 1045 RA leaving
C00555 00242 ∂04-Nov-85 1400 JMC
C00556 00243 ∂04-Nov-85 1406 RA David Chudnovsky
C00557 00244 ∂04-Nov-85 1438 LES Facilities Committee Meeting
C00558 00245 ∂04-Nov-85 1528 FFL SIGLUNCH, Nov. 15
C00559 00246 ∂04-Nov-85 1555 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting
C00561 00247 ∂04-Nov-85 1700 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Comments from last Tuesday's meeting
C00566 00248 ∂04-Nov-85 1915 fateman@dali.berkeley.edu faculty recruitment time at Berkeley
C00568 00249 ∂04-Nov-85 2011 SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA SUNs running EMACS.
C00571 00250 ∂04-Nov-85 2026 SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: SUNs running EMACS.
C00573 00251 ∂05-Nov-85 0401 HST parallel lisp
C00574 00252 ∂05-Nov-85 0929 SCHULMAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS306 problems
C00577 00253 ∂05-Nov-85 0946 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C00578 00254 ∂05-Nov-85 1151 RA Conference Dec. 5 and 6
C00579 00255 ∂05-Nov-85 1215 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
C00580 00256 ∂05-Nov-85 1309 ALS Font conversion progress report
C00585 00257 ∂05-Nov-85 1316 LES Computer Facilities Reschedule
C00586 00258 ∂05-Nov-85 1736 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00587 00259 ∂05-Nov-85 1800 LES Pub preservation
C00589 00260 ∂05-Nov-85 1909 enea!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV Thanks
C00591 00261 ∂05-Nov-85 2200 JMC
C00592 00262 ∂06-Nov-85 0900 JMC
C00593 00263 ∂06-Nov-85 1013 RA John Nafeh, MAD
C00594 00264 ∂06-Nov-85 1253 ALS Pub preservation
C00597 00265 ∂06-Nov-85 1447 LES Pub preservation
C00598 00266 ∂06-Nov-85 1730 enea!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV re: Thanks
C00600 00267 ∂08-Nov-85 1648 AMAREL@USC-ISI.ARPA Re: Our Qlisp proposal
C00601 00268 ∂08-Nov-85 1709 BILLW@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: Are there 1200/150 modems on Sushi.
C00602 00269 ∂08-Nov-85 1805 MCCARTHY@SU-SCORE.ARPA mad
C00603 00270 ∂09-Nov-85 1257 GLB
C00606 00271 ∂09-Nov-85 1724 gluck@SU-PSYCH AP
C00607 00272 ∂10-Nov-85 1049 RWW tim
C00608 00273 ∂10-Nov-85 1414 AI.WOODY@MCC.ARPA
C00609 00274 ∂10-Nov-85 1454 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Timothy McCarthy
C00610 00275 ∂10-Nov-85 1602 RPG Congratulations
C00611 00276 ∂10-Nov-85 1739 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA congratulations!!!!
C00612 00277 ∂10-Nov-85 1930 GOLUB@SU-SCORE.ARPA
C00613 00278 ∂10-Nov-85 2014 rsf@su-pescadero.arpa New arrival
C00614 00279 ∂10-Nov-85 2234 TOB
C00615 00280 ∂10-Nov-85 2246 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Congratulations
C00616 00281 ∂11-Nov-85 0008 SAMUEL@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
C00620 00282 ∂11-Nov-85 0844 MAZZETTI@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
C00621 00283 ∂11-Nov-85 0846 SJG reply to message
C00622 00284 ∂11-Nov-85 0849 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Happy Event
C00623 00285 ∂11-Nov-85 0907 zm%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA
C00624 00286 ∂11-Nov-85 0913 FAT@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
C00625 00287 ∂11-Nov-85 0942 DAHLQUIST@SU-SCORE.ARPA
C00626 00288 ∂11-Nov-85 0948 BUCHANAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
C00627 00289 ∂11-Nov-85 0954 BUCHANAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA siglunch talk
C00628 00290 ∂11-Nov-85 1057 YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA congratulations!
C00629 00291 ∂11-Nov-85 1100 YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Andrew Yao <YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: congratulations!]
C00631 00292 ∂11-Nov-85 1122 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Congratulations!
C00632 00293 ∂11-Nov-85 1134 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow at 2:15
C00633 00294 ∂11-Nov-85 1204 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU my visit next quarter
C00635 00295 ∂11-Nov-85 1249 ME congratulations
C00636 00296 ∂11-Nov-85 1303 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA TTMC
C00637 00297 ∂11-Nov-85 1312 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C00638 00298 ∂11-Nov-85 1318 WALDINGER@SRI-AI.ARPA
C00639 00299 ∂11-Nov-85 1345 SSO.OWICKI@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
C00640 00300 ∂11-Nov-85 1407 PMF@S1-A.ARPA
C00641 00301 ∂11-Nov-85 1425 SF@SU-CSLI.ARPA
C00642 00302 ∂11-Nov-85 1430 RA congratulations
C00643 00303 ∂11-Nov-85 1438 RA Mr. Kavenoky, Frech Atomic Energy Commission
C00644 00304 ∂11-Nov-85 1441 RTC Baby
C00645 00305 ∂11-Nov-85 1518 LES Computer Facilities Committee Minutes for Nov. 6
C00658 00306 ∂11-Nov-85 1552 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA STAN
C00659 00307 ∂11-Nov-85 2002 coraki!pratt@su-navajo.arpa Timothy
C00660 00308 ∂11-Nov-85 2035 SF@SU-CSLI.ARPA baby
C00661 00309 ∂11-Nov-85 2249 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa SUN workstation opportunity
C00667 00310 ∂11-Nov-85 2306 LLW@S1-A.ARPA Congratulations!
C00669 00311 ∂12-Nov-85 0800 JMC
C00670 00312 ∂12-Nov-85 1112 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: SUN workstation opportunity
C00672 00313 ∂12-Nov-85 1208 RA overdue book
C00674 00314 ∂12-Nov-85 1432 JMC
C00675 00315 ∂12-Nov-85 1436 JJW Printing files from 3600s on Boise
C00677 00316 ∂12-Nov-85 1446 JMC ekl proofs
C00678 00317 ∂12-Nov-85 1555 LES re: SUN workstation opportunity
C00681 00318 ∂12-Nov-85 1615 VAL Mott's paper
C00683 00319 ∂12-Nov-85 1718 VAL inviting Reiter
C00684 00320 ∂12-Nov-85 1752 SJG 1985 DAI Workshop application deadline has passed
C00685 00321 ∂12-Nov-85 1855 JK timothy talcott mccarthy
C00686 00322 ∂12-Nov-85 2313 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Good news
C00690 00323 ∂13-Nov-85 0107 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA "militant moralism"
C00692 00324 ∂13-Nov-85 0749 MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Baby Born
C00693 00325 ∂13-Nov-85 0918 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA hurray for you
C00694 00326 ∂13-Nov-85 1017 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa re: SUN workstation opportunity
C00698 00327 ∂13-Nov-85 1115 RA Yuri Gurevich
C00699 00328 ∂13-Nov-85 1207 RA
C00700 00329 ∂13-Nov-85 1340 RA leaving
C00701 00330 ∂13-Nov-85 1417 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: noise and smoking
C00703 00331 ∂13-Nov-85 1503 QUEENIE@SU-SCORE.ARPA LOTS Birthday party
C00704 00332 ∂13-Nov-85 1526 JDLH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Espresso (quietly)
C00706 00333 ∂13-Nov-85 1610 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C00708 00334 ∂13-Nov-85 1651 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00710 00335 ∂13-Nov-85 1714 RPG Except
C00712 00336 ∂13-Nov-85 1925 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: noise and smoking
C00715 00337 ∂14-Nov-85 0505 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: Good news
C00717 00338 ∂14-Nov-85 0942 RA keys
C00718 00339 ∂14-Nov-85 1044 VAL help!
C00719 00340 ∂14-Nov-85 1207 RA CS 306 assignments
C00720 00341 ∂14-Nov-85 1336 RA Bill Kritlow
C00721 00342 ∂14-Nov-85 1610 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA planlunch next quarter
C00724 00343 ∂14-Nov-85 2024 S.STEUBER@LOTS-C enrollment in CS306
C00731 00344 ∂14-Nov-85 2033 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: smoking and militant moralism
C00735 00345 ∂14-Nov-85 2034 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Smoking - A satirical analogy
C00739 00346 ∂15-Nov-85 0010 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Congratulations
C00741 00347 ∂15-Nov-85 0817 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
C00743 00348 ∂15-Nov-85 1118 RA Carolyn
C00744 00349 ∂15-Nov-85 1533 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA siglunch
C00746 00350 ∂15-Nov-85 1553 RA trip to LA
C00747 00351 ∂15-Nov-85 1636 ME sprite
C00748 00352 ∂15-Nov-85 1638 RA reminder
C00749 00353 ∂15-Nov-85 1702 LES CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
C00766 00354 ∂15-Nov-85 1857 DEK Timothy TM
C00767 00355 ∂16-Nov-85 0800 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Panel "Opportunity"
C00770 00356 ∂16-Nov-85 0809 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Coffee Pool Situation
C00772 00357 ∂16-Nov-85 0900 JMC
C00773 00358 ∂17-Nov-85 0207 reid@glacier Mosher case
C00779 00359 ∂17-Nov-85 0628 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth Promotion
C00783 00360 ∂17-Nov-85 0642 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Re: CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
C00786 00361 ∂17-Nov-85 0656 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Will
C00789 00362 ∂17-Nov-85 1114 JPBION@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Courtesy Accounts
C00793 00363 ∂17-Nov-85 1148 JJW My thesis
C00802 00364 ∂17-Nov-85 1237 reid@glacier judgment
C00810 00365 ∂17-Nov-85 2347 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: banquet speech
C00812 00366 ∂18-Nov-85 1044 RA Re: parking
C00813 00367 ∂18-Nov-85 1111 RA a reminder
C00814 00368 ∂18-Nov-85 1214 RA Dr. appointment
C00815 00369 ∂18-Nov-85 1300 JMC
C00816 00370 ∂18-Nov-85 1300 JMC
C00817 00371 ∂18-Nov-85 1315 SJG thanks --
C00818 00372 ∂18-Nov-85 1359 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C00821 00373 ∂18-Nov-85 1446 SJG re: thanks --
C00823 00374 ∂18-Nov-85 1506 VAL marek
C00824 00375 ∂18-Nov-85 1601 RA parking
C00825 00376 ∂19-Nov-85 0034 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA con.grat.u.la.shions
C00827 00377 ∂19-Nov-85 0829 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA scientific research...
C00829 00378 ∂19-Nov-85 0847 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:JOHN@SU-CSLI.ARPA reminder
C00831 00379 ∂19-Nov-85 0854 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: chess computer
C00833 00380 ∂19-Nov-85 0856 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow 2:15 in 252
C00834 00381 ∂19-Nov-85 0902 nttlab!NTT-20!Goto@su-shasta.arpa Congratulations
C00836 00382 ∂19-Nov-85 0903 PKANERVA@SU-CSLI.ARPA Russia's computing
C00838 00383 ∂19-Nov-85 0932 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Hi!
C00841 00384 ∂19-Nov-85 1042 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
C00844 00385 ∂19-Nov-85 1114 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Courtesy Accounts
C00847 00386 ∂19-Nov-85 1155 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA
C00849 00387 ∂19-Nov-85 1630 RA tickets
C00850 00388 ∂20-Nov-85 1159 RA Yuri Gurevich
C00851 00389 ∂20-Nov-85 1259 VAL party for Marek
C00852 00390 ∂20-Nov-85 1716 LES Facilities Committee minutes of Nov. 19
C00871 00391 ∂20-Nov-85 1744 BARWISE@SU-CSLI.ARPA Schlipf paper
C00872 00392 ∂21-Nov-85 0911 ICS.DEKEN@R20.UTEXAS.EDU Printed text reading device
C00874 00393 ∂21-Nov-85 0919 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting next Wed. 3:30 in 352
C00875 00394 ∂21-Nov-85 1500 JMC
C00876 00395 ∂21-Nov-85 1502 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Hi!
C00878 00396 ∂21-Nov-85 1600 RA tomorrow
C00879 00397 ∂21-Nov-85 1608 JMC
C00880 00398 ∂21-Nov-85 1616 SJG thanks
C00881 00399 ∂21-Nov-85 1632 RA leaving
C00882 00400 ∂22-Nov-85 0534 somewhere!a1458@ccut.u-tokyo.junet Timothy Talcott McCarthy
C00884 00401 ∂22-Nov-85 1054 BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
C00886 00402 ∂22-Nov-85 1018 SJG monkey business
C00890 00403 ∂22-Nov-85 1107 JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
C00892 00404 ∂22-Nov-85 1137 fournier@su-navajo.arpa Chinese romanization
C00896 00405 ∂22-Nov-85 1432 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C00899 00406 ∂22-Nov-85 1542 VAL seminar
C00901 00407 ∂22-Nov-85 2256 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Romanji (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00903 00408 ∂23-Nov-85 0125 @SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA:rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM We did it!
C00909 00409 ∂23-Nov-85 0336 kddlab!nttlab!NTT-20!Goto@seismo.CSS.GOV Congratulations!
C00912 00410 ∂23-Nov-85 1211 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA things
C00924 00411 ∂24-Nov-85 1928 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Mosher
C00928 00412 ∂24-Nov-85 2106 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA mosher case
C00937 00413 ∂25-Nov-85 0126 YM Thesis
C00945 00414 ∂25-Nov-85 0153 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA The night of Dec 3
C00947 00415 ∂25-Nov-85 0900 JMC
C00948 00416 ∂25-Nov-85 0920 shoham%YALE-RING@YALE.ARPA Re: $1 an hour
C00950 00417 ∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
C00951 00418 ∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
C00952 00419 ∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
C00953 00420 ∂25-Nov-85 1028 ERICKSON@SU-SUSHI.ARPA ekl
C00955 00421 ∂25-Nov-85 1116 LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>:]
C00958 00422 ∂25-Nov-85 1419 RA Yuri Gurevich
C00959 00423 ∂25-Nov-85 1500 JMC
C00960 00424 ∂25-Nov-85 1716 RA trip to Michigan
C00965 00425 ∂25-Nov-85 1727 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00969 00426 ∂25-Nov-85 1802 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA
C00970 00427 ∂25-Nov-85 1853 Samuel←C.←Yang.osbunorth@Xerox.ARPA Taking the CS306 final in January
C00972 00428 ∂25-Nov-85 1953 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00974 00429 ∂25-Nov-85 2000 JMC
C00975 00430 ∂25-Nov-85 2037 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00981 00431 ∂25-Nov-85 2329 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00982 00432 ∂26-Nov-85 0800 JMC
C00983 00433 ∂26-Nov-85 0800 JMC
C00984 00434 ∂26-Nov-85 1003 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA 306 assignment
C00986 00435 ∂26-Nov-85 1052 BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
C00988 00436 ∂26-Nov-85 1055 NEUMANN@SRI-CSL.ARPA Your request
C00989 00437 ∂26-Nov-85 1129 RA CS306 suggested project
C00990 00438 ∂26-Nov-85 1338 VAL mental situations
C00991 00439 ∂26-Nov-85 1355 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C00993 00440 ∂26-Nov-85 1405 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA more "man of the left"
C00995 00441 ∂26-Nov-85 1652 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Reminder of tomorrow's meeting
C00996 00442 ∂26-Nov-85 1731 TAJNAI@SU-SCORE.ARPA please update
C01000 00443 ∂26-Nov-85 2154 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: The night of Dec 3
C01006 00444 ∂27-Nov-85 0921 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA [Paul Rosenbloom <ROSENBLOOM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: Meeting on support]
C01010 00445 ∂27-Nov-85 0940 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Qual syllabus
C01011 00446 ∂27-Nov-85 1000 JMC
C01012 00447 ∂27-Nov-85 1151 kent@su-navajo.arpa DNA
C01013 00448 ∂27-Nov-85 1255 RA leaving now
C01014 00449 ∂27-Nov-85 1418 LES CSD Administrative and Instructional Computing
C01035 00450 ∂27-Nov-85 1512 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01042 00451 ∂28-Nov-85 1646 JK
C01044 00452 ∂29-Nov-85 1516 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning workshop
C01045 00453 ∂29-Nov-85 1719 GLB
C01046 00454 ∂29-Nov-85 1806 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning Workshop
C01050 00455 ∂30-Nov-85 1019 BACH@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: AIQ Contest.
C01052 00456 ∂01-Dec-85 0204 HST baby
C01053 00457 ∂01-Dec-85 1032 GLB
C01054 00458 ∂01-Dec-85 1346 CLT
C01055 00459 ∂01-Dec-85 1802 ME Prancing Pony Bill
C01057 00460 ∂02-Dec-85 1116 RA [Reply to message recvd: 30 Nov 85 19:09 Pacific Time]
C01058 00461 ∂02-Dec-85 1218 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA december money due
C01059 00462 ∂02-Dec-85 1732 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow (Tuesday)
C01067 00463 ∂02-Dec-85 1734 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Reminder
C01068 00464 ∂03-Dec-85 0401 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
C01072 00465 ∂03-Dec-85 0928 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
C01077 00466 ∂03-Dec-85 1019 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: Hi!
C01078 00467 ∂03-Dec-85 1114 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C01079 00468 ∂03-Dec-85 1444 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01080 00469 ∂03-Dec-85 2029 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: Hi!
C01083 00470 ∂03-Dec-85 2349 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
C01086 00471 ∂04-Dec-85 0913 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
C01089 00472 ∂04-Dec-85 1411 LES Qlisp shuffle
C01090 00473 ∂04-Dec-85 1518 AI.LENAT@MCC.ARPA
C01091 00474 ∂05-Dec-85 0852 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Star Wars Debate
C01094 00475 ∂05-Dec-85 1134 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C01096 00476 ∂05-Dec-85 1423 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Meeting
C01098 00477 ∂06-Dec-85 0947 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01100 00478 ∂06-Dec-85 1017 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning Conference
C01101 00479 ∂06-Dec-85 1225 gcj%qmc-ori.uucp@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK AIQ
C01103 00480 ∂06-Dec-85 1512 LES IBM workstation
C01104 00481 ∂06-Dec-85 1659 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01105 00482 ∂07-Dec-85 0955 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search
C01108 00483 ∂07-Dec-85 1306 GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA temporal reasoning and defaults
C01110 00484 ∂07-Dec-85 1347 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01111 00485 ∂07-Dec-85 1444 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01112 00486 ∂07-Dec-85 1507 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01114 00487 ∂07-Dec-85 1701 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01115 00488 ∂07-Dec-85 1732 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01116 00489 ∂07-Dec-85 1738 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01117 00490 ∂07-Dec-85 2130 FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Meeting
C01118 00491 ∂08-Dec-85 1126 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: Genesereth
C01119 00492 ∂08-Dec-85 1317 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01120 00493 ∂08-Dec-85 1357 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01121 00494 ∂08-Dec-85 1432 CLT please
C01122 00495 ∂08-Dec-85 2145 EUSEBI@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS306
C01125 00496 ∂09-Dec-85 0059 YM Thesis
C01126 00497 ∂09-Dec-85 0301 HIRSH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA sail mail jingle
C01128 00498 ∂09-Dec-85 0939 VAL mental situations
C01129 00499 ∂09-Dec-85 1005 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Notes and reminder of meeting tomorrow
C01134 00500 ∂09-Dec-85 1049 RA reviewing a draft manuscript
C01135 00501 ∂09-Dec-85 1123 RA your trip expenses
C01136 00502 ∂09-Dec-85 1132 HEWETT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Sail Mail jingle
C01137 00503 ∂09-Dec-85 1251 RA MCC
C01138 00504 ∂09-Dec-85 1318 LES Facilities Committee Minutes for '85 Dec. 6
C01142 00505 ∂09-Dec-85 1339 GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA Sjodin@Score
C01143 00506 ∂09-Dec-85 1400 JMC
C01144 00507 ∂09-Dec-85 1456 LES Pub to ESP
C01145 00508 ∂09-Dec-85 1546 VAL new time for the non-monotonic seminar
C01146 00509 ∂09-Dec-85 1655 VAL new time for seminar
C01147 00510 ∂09-Dec-85 1900 JMC
C01148 00511 ∂09-Dec-85 2309 HST gwai-85
C01149 00512 ∂10-Dec-85 0001 SHARKANSKY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA SAIL jingle
C01150 00513 ∂10-Dec-85 1018 RA Turing Award paper
C01151 00514 ∂10-Dec-85 1145 RA Mac World Magazine
C01152 00515 ∂10-Dec-85 1435 RA xeroxed papers
C01153 00516 ∂10-Dec-85 1722 LES Courtesy Account Policy
C01158 00517 ∂10-Dec-85 2128 PACK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA AI Qual
C01160 00518 ∂10-Dec-85 2148 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Purity
C01162 00519 ∂10-Dec-85 2250 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA earlier purity
C01163 00520 ∂10-Dec-85 2336 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA should I bother?
C01167 00521 ∂11-Dec-85 0900 JMC
C01168 00522 ∂11-Dec-85 0942 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: should I bother?
C01170 00523 ∂11-Dec-85 1020 RA will not be able to attend the SDI meeting.
C01171 00524 ∂11-Dec-85 1021 WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA sail jingles.
C01174 00525 ∂11-Dec-85 1502 CLT please bring
C01175 00526 ∂11-Dec-85 1634 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C01176 00527 ∂11-Dec-85 1636 RA Susan
C01177 00528 ∂12-Dec-85 1119 RA industrial lectureship
C01178 00529 ∂12-Dec-85 1158 AI.ELLIE@MCC.ARPA hotel reservations
C01179 00530 ∂12-Dec-85 1355 HADDAD@SU-SUSHI.ARPA connection machine
C01181 00531 ∂12-Dec-85 1646 KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA 306 Finals....To be returned?
C01182 00532 ∂12-Dec-85 1528 VAL strips
C01185 00533 ∂12-Dec-85 1704 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA CSD Retreat
C01188 00534 ∂12-Dec-85 2038 CLT calendar item
C01189 00535 ∂12-Dec-85 2147 OWEN@SU-SCORE.ARPA Gold production
C01190 00536 ∂12-Dec-85 2216 VAL re: strips
C01191 00537 ∂13-Dec-85 0941 RA Fredkin
C01192 00538 ∂13-Dec-85 1000 JMC
C01193 00539 ∂13-Dec-85 1209 RA be back
C01194 00540 ∂13-Dec-85 1223 GCOLE@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Lord Peter
C01195 00541 ∂13-Dec-85 1414 IAM
C01196 00542 ∂13-Dec-85 1517 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
C01198 00543 ∂13-Dec-85 1737 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
C01199 00544 ∂13-Dec-85 1844 greep@camelot Programmable operating system interface
C01201 00545 ∂13-Dec-85 1857 greep@camelot re: Programmable operating system interface
C01202 00546 ∂13-Dec-85 2116 avg@su-aimvax.arpa Re: Help: cwd in Unix prompt (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01204 00547 ∂13-Dec-85 2124 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA programmable operating system
C01205 00548 ∂14-Dec-85 0010 MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: gold standard
C01208 00549 ∂14-Dec-85 0900 JMC
C01209 00550 ∂14-Dec-85 0952 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
C01210 00551 ∂14-Dec-85 1005 GIVAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
C01212 00552 ∂14-Dec-85 1146 KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Account on SAIL?
C01214 00553 ∂14-Dec-85 2117 JJW Books
C01215 00554 ∂15-Dec-85 1555 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01218 00555 ∂15-Dec-85 1605 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: The enemy within
C01220 00556 ∂15-Dec-85 1824 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
C01223 00557 ∂16-Dec-85 0848 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01224 00558 ∂16-Dec-85 0910 CLT
C01225 00559 ∂16-Dec-85 1100 VAL new time for the seminar
C01226 00560 ∂16-Dec-85 1119 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA confirmation
C01227 00561 ∂16-Dec-85 1137 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth
C01228 00562 ∂16-Dec-85 1224 RA leaving
C01229 00563 ∂16-Dec-85 1410 VAL reply to message
C01230 00564 ∂16-Dec-85 1441 VAL reply to message
C01231 00565 ∂16-Dec-85 1633 Mailer failed mail returned
C01235 00566 ∂16-Dec-85 1640 Mailer failed mail returned
C01237 00567 ∂16-Dec-85 1640 Mailer failed mail returned
C01238 00568 ∂16-Dec-85 1645 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01239 00569 ∂17-Dec-85 0621 AN02@A.CS.CMU.EDU Genesereth
C01247 00570 ∂17-Dec-85 1045 danny@THINK-AQUINAS.ARPA comments on book
C01250 00571 ∂17-Dec-85 1436 Mailer failed mail returned
C01251 00572 ∂18-Dec-85 1228 G.ROODE@SU-SCORE.ARPA text search machine
C01253 00573 ∂18-Dec-85 1238 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
C01254 00574 ∂18-Dec-85 1457 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA open/closed worlds
C01255 00575 ∂18-Dec-85 1501 LES Qlisp shuffle
C01256 00576 ∂19-Dec-85 0920 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
C01257 00577 ∂19-Dec-85 0937 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Amarel Visit
C01259 00578 ∂19-Dec-85 0937 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Dinner
C01260 00579 ∂19-Dec-85 1046 RA your current events file
C01261 00580 ∂19-Dec-85 1149 VAL reply to message
C01263 00581 ∂19-Dec-85 1457 VAL Workshop on Foundations of AI
C01264 00582 ∂19-Dec-85 1603 RA leaving early
C01266 00583 ∂21-Dec-85 2133 MCCARTHY@SU-SCORE.ARPA elise
C01267 00584 ∂21-Dec-85 2142 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
C01269 00585 ∂22-Dec-85 0901 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
C01271 00586 ∂22-Dec-85 1354 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
C01273 00587 ∂22-Dec-85 1358 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
C01275 00588 ∂23-Dec-85 1436 VAL new time for the seminar (what else!)
C01279 00589 ∂24-Dec-85 0133 yg%eecs.umich@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Expenses
C01281 00590 ∂24-Dec-85 1443 VAL possible application of mental situations
C01284 00591 ∂25-Dec-85 1409 JMC
C01285 00592 ∂25-Dec-85 1659 CLT
C01286 00593 ∂25-Dec-85 1713 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Sail-ing a-way
C01287 00594 ∂26-Dec-85 1000 JMC
C01288 00595 ∂26-Dec-85 1451 LES Software Integrity
C01294 00596 ∂27-Dec-85 1547 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Re: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
C01298 00597 ∂27-Dec-85 1548 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [SIMPSON@USC-ISI.ARPA: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
C01301 00598 ∂27-Dec-85 1556 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Amarel Visit and Dinner
C01312 00599 ∂28-Dec-85 1320 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA CSD Retreat
C01319 00600 ∂29-Dec-85 2126 DAVIS%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU your recent letter
C01321 00601 ∂29-Dec-85 2318 ME mail address
C01324 00602 ∂30-Dec-85 0930 RPG Question about Common Lisp
C01326 00603 ∂30-Dec-85 1209 RA Caddes
C01327 00604 ∂30-Dec-85 1251 RA leaving
C01328 00605 ∂30-Dec-85 1447 Bobrow.pa@Xerox.ARPA Re: Lifschitz for editorial board
C01329 00606 ∂30-Dec-85 1554 NII@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA An Invitation
C01331 00607 ∂31-Dec-85 1631 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Gordon Bell Visit
C01335 00608 ∂31-Dec-85 1804 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C01337 00609 ∂31-Dec-85 1811 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
C01340 ENDMK
C⊗;
∂01-Oct-85 0310 @SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA:rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM Re: jmc's macsyma
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From: Bill Gosper <rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM>
Subject: Re: jmc's macsyma
To: JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
cc: rtc@SU-AI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, fy@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: The message of 30 Sep 85 10:19-PDT from Jock Mackinlay <JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Message-ID: <851001031005.2.RWG@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM>
Date: Mon 30 Sep 85 10:19:18-PDT
From: Jock Mackinlay <JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
The files should go on IGNORANT, which is the machine with the tape drive
and the bands should go on MT-ST-COAX, which is the machine with the face near
JMC's office. The office numbers are MJH324 for IGNORANT and MJH360 for
MT-ST-COAX. The boot band (>release-6-0.load) should be replaced.
The other band (>rel6-clean.load) is needed for new releases and should not
be damaged. There is about 2000 blocks free on COAX which might be enough
if you grabage collect the world before you save it.
No joy. Even after a full-gc, it is about 1540 blocks deficient.
If that doesn't work,
I'll have to make the LMFS smaller. Does that answer all your questions?
Let me know how you make out. (Take heart--incremental disk-save is in
beta-test.)
PS, decimalizing 2↑216091 - 1 in my environment (egc on, no ifu) took 438.9
seconds the first time, during which the decimalizer cached values of 10↑+-2↑n,
and then 252.1 seconds on subsequent tries, provided I cleared out the FFT
cache each time, to prevent unfairly shortcutting about 30 secs of FFTs. I
am really impressed if FY can do it with vanilla arithmetic in 15 min.
∂01-Oct-85 0715 reid@glacier Bosack
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Subject: Bosack
To: jmc@su-ai
Bosack is known to leave most of his mail unanswered.
∂01-Oct-85 1119 LERNER@SU-SCORE.ARPA Renaissance Thanksgiving dinner...
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From: Sandy Lerner <Lerner@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Renaissance Thanksgiving dinner...
To: a.andy@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA, a.dave@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA, a.jiml@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA,
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bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA, cower@SU-CSLI.ARPA, d.doctor%LOTS-B@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
drf@SU-AI.ARPA, ga.mcl@SU-FORSYTHE.ARPA, gd.why@SU-FORSYTHE.ARPA,
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gorin%LOTS-B@SU-SCORE.ARPA, gotelli@SU-SCORE.ARPA, jjw@SU-AI.ARPA,
jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, les@SU-AI.ARPA, levy@SU-NAVAJO.ARPA,
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roberts@SU-SCORE.ARPA, rs.smg@SU-FORSYTHE.ARPA, ruggles@SU-COYOTE.ARPA,
satz@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, s.coulthard@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA,
s.domenico@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA, s.salud%LOTS-B@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
s.strickland@SU-GSB-WHY.ARPA
Message-ID: <12147688950.41.LERNER@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
We need to start getting this together...only a few of you have responded;
please let me know if you're not interested so I can take you off of the
mail list
Please let me know if you're interested in putting together a fairly
authentic Renaissance Thanksgiving dinner, with entertainment. We think
that the dinner would be the weekend of Nov. 9, so as not to interfere
with Thanksgiving holiday or finals. Here is a re-creation of the
committees we need as best I can remember:
Entertainment Food History
Costumes Drink Set-up
Games PFinance Clean-up
Owing to there being a fair amount of work involved, we do need to
get going. Can we agree to meet at Stanford one day this week, perhaps
Friday at lunch behind Tressidder? Please let me know one wor the
other...
Sandy
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∂01-Oct-85 1338 VAL Seminar announcement
This is what I've written, I want only to add the title of your talk and
information about the time and the place at the end. Does this look all right?
A series of seminars on
COMMON SENSE AND NON-MONOTONIC REASONING
will explore the problem of formalizing commonsense knowledge and reasoning,
with the emphasis on their non-monotonic aspects.
Is it possible to formalize reasoning about physical objects and mental
attitudes, about events and actions on the basis of predicate logic, as it is
done with reasoning about numbers, figures, sets and probabilities? The positive
answer to this question may lead to the creation of AI systems which can use
logic to operate with general facts, which can deduce consequences from what
they know and what they are told and determine in this way what actions should
be taken.
Attempts to formalize commonsense knowledge have been so far only
partially successful. One major difficulty is that commonsense reasoning often
appears to be non-monotonic, in the sense that getting additional information
may force us to retract some of the conclusions made before. This is in sharp
contrast to what happens in mathematics, where adding new axioms to a theory
can only make the set of theorems bigger.
John McCarthy has proposed a transformation of logical formulas, called
circumscription, which makes it possible to formalize non-monotonic reasoning
in classical predicate logic. A circumscriptive theory involves, in addition to
an axiom set, the description of a circumscription to be applied to the axioms.
Our goal is to investigate how commonsense knowledge can be represented in the
form of circumscriptive theories.
∂01-Oct-85 1707 S.STEUBER@LOTS-C Your account
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Date: Tue 1 Oct 85 17:10:04-PDT
From: Tom Steuber <S.STEUBER@LOTS-C>
Subject: Your account
To: jmc@SAIL
Message-ID: <12147754793.205.S.STEUBER@LOTS-C>
Professor McCarthy -
I activated your account today. I also added you to the
user group so that you can use the class account for CS306.
The class directory name is SS:<CLASSES.CS306>. It has 200
pages of space that you can use.
If there is anything else that I can do for you, please
don't hesitate to send mail to either myself or Deirdre
Lieberson (d.deirdre), my co-faculty-liaison.
Tom Steuber
LOTS Faculty Liaison
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∂01-Oct-85 2100 JMC
Check notebook for next mcc date.
∂01-Oct-85 2353 JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: jmc's macsyma
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From: Jock Mackinlay <JOCK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: jmc's macsyma
To: rwg@SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA
cc: rtc@SU-AI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, fy@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bill Gosper <rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM>" of Tue 1 Oct 85 03:10:46-PDT
World load has been saved. Thanks for your help.
Jock
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∂02-Oct-85 0029 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa CSD Computer Facilities meeting
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: CSD Computer Facilities meeting
To: csdfacilities@su-pescadero.arpa
Fellow comittee members,
Time to revive the computer facilities committee and cause things to happen.
1. My understanding of the membership is: me (chairman), John McCarthy,
Tom Binford, Mike Genesereth, Tom Rindfleisch, Steve Tjiang, Joe Bion
and Len Bosack. I would appreciate if you would respond to this message
indicating its receipt and notify me if you do not think you are on this
committee.
2. I would like to schedule a meeting for next week. My preference is
Wed. Oct. 9th at 4:00 pm. Tues. and Thurs. afternoons are out for
me. After 4:00 Monday, anytime Friday or any morning as well.
Any rate, please let me know if you can make Wed. at 4:00 pm plus
indicate alternatives you can also make.
3. I would like to make progress on several fronts this year.
a. Teaching equipment - more comprehensive plan with hopefully
some further action towards its realization.
b. Software development - looking at providing better software support
within the dept.
c. Some thinking about general future directions for equipment,
workstations, networks, long-term storage, etc.
Ideally, we should generate something that define equipment requirements
for fundraising and for new building space design.
Any other agenda items for coming meeting?
∂02-Oct-85 0224 THOMASON@C.CS.CMU.EDU re: Want to talk?
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From: Rich.Thomason@C.CS.CMU.EDU
Subject: re: Want to talk?
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: thomason@C.CS.CMU.EDU
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 1 Oct 85 22:29:00-EDT
Sure. Pick a time on Sunday 20 October. I'll be around all day.
--Rich
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∂02-Oct-85 0848 SJG reference?
Dear John:
I need to refer to your new circumscription paper in a paper I'm putting
together. Do you have a specific reference for it yet?
Thanks.
Matt
∂02-Oct-85 1109 THOMASON@C.CS.CMU.EDU re: Want to talk?
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Subject: re: Want to talk?
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: thomason@C.CS.CMU.EDU
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Wed 2 Oct 85 08:52:00-EDT
OK, 11:00 AM Sunday. --Rich
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∂02-Oct-85 1124 LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA Math/CS Library: Parallel Programming In ANSI Standard Ada
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From: C.S./Math Library <LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Math/CS Library: Parallel Programming In ANSI Standard Ada
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12147952591.33.LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Prof. McCarthy,
The book you want is being held for you at the desk in the Math/CS Library.
We will hold it there for you for a week. HL
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∂02-Oct-85 1126 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Chris Goad
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Date: Wed 2 Oct 85 11:17:05-PDT
From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Chris Goad
To: Cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, Reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12147952679.12.RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
The Search Committee will be meeting with Chris Goad on October 8 at
2:30 in MJH 220. Please mark it on your calendars.
Thanks, Anne
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∂02-Oct-85 1230 RA orientation meeting
I will be in a one-year-after orientation meeting bet. 1:00 and 3:30 today.
∂02-Oct-85 1458 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Robotics Search Committee
To: cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12147990729.11.RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
As I have been advised that some of you did not receive my message of
September 17, please confirm that you received my message of earlier today
regarding Chris Goad.
Thanks,
Anne
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∂02-Oct-85 1603 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA talking
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From: PHayes@SRI-KL
Subject: talking
To: jmc%SU-AI@SRI-KL
Hi John. Let us decide on a time to meet, or it wont happen. How
about Friday (4) or early next week ( eg Tuesday morning ?)
Pat
.
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∂02-Oct-85 1630 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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From: Tina Contreras <CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: RA@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12148008244.35.CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Jenny of Union Bank phoned. They will credit your account for $719.00.
If you don't understand please call. 859-1200.
Tina
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∂02-Oct-85 2012 GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA someone interested in Non-mon and recursion
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From: Benjamin N. Grosof <GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: someone interested in Non-mon and recursion
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, val@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: grosof@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
Hi John and Vladimir,
I saw this on AILIST; perhaps you don't already know about this fellow.
Benjamin
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 85 18:06 EDT
From: Tim Finin <Tim%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
Subject: Seminar - Theory of Declarative Knowledge (UPenn)
TOWARDS A THEORY OF DECLARATIVE KNOWLEDGE
Krzysztof R. Apt, LITP, Universite Paris, IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
3:00pm Tuesday 1 Oct, CIS, University of Pennsylvania
We study logic programming with negation from the point of
view of its use for building expert system shells. We
achieve a separation between the declarative and
procedural meaning of the programs. We do this by defining
a class of stratified programs which disallow certain
combination of recursion and negation and to which we
restrict our study. We develop a fixed point theory of
non-monotonic operators and apply it to provide a
declarative meaning of the programs based on model theory.
We also define a backchaining interpretor and show that in
the absence of function symbols it computes a selected
model of a stratified program.
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∂02-Oct-85 2357 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: CSD Computer Facilities meeting
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From: Michael Genesereth <GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: CSD Computer Facilities meeting
To: cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
Cc: csdfacilities@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>" of Wed 2 Oct 85 00:25:01-PDT
Message-Id: <12148091240.38.GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
David,
Yes I believe myself to be on the committee and want to continue.
As for meeting. I have an important meeting already scheduled 2-4
on Wednesday, and it will probably run late. I could show up a
little late if that is theonly alternative. Also any morning
is okay.
mrg
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∂03-Oct-85 1045 spar!hayes@decwrl.ARPA re: talking
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Subject: re: talking
see you.
pat
∂03-Oct-85 1132 CLT calendar item
wed 23-oct 19:00 Kaiser Labor and Delivery Class - Conf rooms A,B
∂03-Oct-85 1309 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: OTHER-SU-BBOARDS@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Wed 2 Oct 85 23:07:00-PDT
Isn't this a red-herring? Limitations on freedom of speech in China,
or in any other country for that matter, hardly justify them in Taiwan.
All too often people try to confuse the issue by comparing Taiwan with China,
but that simply isn't the issue. As for what the State Department can do,
certainly it should encourage freedom of speech everywhere (though it doesn't),
but the United States has considerably more influence in Taiwan than in China
and so American policy with regard to Taiwan is more important.
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∂03-Oct-85 1507 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
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From: Mike Genesereth <GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: people
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
John,
Here's a preliminary list for you to look at. I'm still checking
out some people, e.g. when did F. Pereira graduate?
Don't forget my talk tomorrow. I'll pick you up in your office
around 11:55.
mrg
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∂03-Oct-85 1507 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
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From: Mike Genesereth <GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: people
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
That is to say HERE is the list:
Comparisons
All of the people on this list (1) are either faculty in universities
or noted researchers in industrial labs, (2) graduated between 1974 and
1981 inclusive, and (3) have published more than one AI paper since
graduation.
Dave Barstow (SU 197x)
Schlumberger
Brachman (Harvard 1978)
Bell Labs
Alan Bundy
Jaime Carbonell (CMU 1979)
CMU (Asst. Prof.)
Randy Davis (SU 1975)
MIT
Johan deKleer (MIT 1979)
Xerox
H. Gallaire (?)
Ira Goldstein (MIT 1974)
HP
Janet Kolodner (Yale 1981)
Georgia Tech
Elaine Kant (SU 1979)
CMU (Prof.)
Ben Kuipers (MIT 1977)
UT Austin
Doug Lenat (SU 1975)
MCC
Mitch Marcus (MIT 1978)
Bell Labs
Drew McDermott (MIT 1977)
Yale (Prof.)
Tom Mitchell (SU 1975)
Rutgers (Prof.)
Bob Moore (MIT 197 )
SRI
Earl Sacerdoti (SU 1975)
Teknowledge
Reid Smith (SU 197x)
Schlumberger
Luc Steels (MIT 1979)
Lou Steinberg (197x)
Rutgers (Prof.)
Mark Stefik (SU 1979)
Xerox
Bonnie Webber (197x)
U. Penn (Prof.)
Bob Wilensky (Yale 1978)
Berkeley (Prof.)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Secondary List
The people on this list (1) are non-academic researchers at
universities, (2) graduated between 1974 and 1981 inclusive, and (3)
have published more than one AI paper since graduation. Includes
people like Doyle so don't overlook.
Bill Clancey (SU 197x)
Stanford
Jon Doyle (MIT 198x)
CMU
Larry Fagan (SU 1979)
Stanford
Scott Fahlman (MIT 1978)
CMU
Chuck Rich (MIT 1978)
M.I.T.
Howie Shrobe (MIT 1978)
M.I.T.
Dick Waters (MIT 1978)
M.I.T.
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∂03-Oct-85 1615 RA leave at 4:30
I need to leave at 4:30 today.
∂03-Oct-85 1712 VAL Seminar Announcement
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
A series of seminars on
COMMON SENSE AND NON-MONOTONIC REASONING
will explore the problem of formalizing commonsense knowledge and reasoning,
with the emphasis on their non-monotonic aspects.
It is important to be able to formalize reasoning about physical objects
and mental attitudes, about events and actions on the basis of predicate logic,
as it can be done with reasoning about numbers, figures, sets and probabilities.
Such formalizations may lead to the creation of AI systems which can use logic
to operate with general facts, which can deduce consequences from what they know
and what they are told and determine in this way what actions should be taken.
Attempts to formalize commonsense knowledge have been so far only
partially successful. One major difficulty is that commonsense reasoning often
appears to be non-monotonic, in the sense that getting additional information
may force us to retract some of the conclusions made before. This is in sharp
contrast to what happens in mathematics, where adding new axioms to a theory
can only make the set of theorems bigger.
Circumscription, a transformation of logical formulas proposed by John
McCarthy, makes it possible to formalize non-monotonic reasoning in classical
predicate logic. A circumscriptive theory involves, in addition to an axiom set,
the description of a circumscription to be applied to the axioms. Our goal is
to investigate how commonsense knowledge can be represented in the form of
circumscriptive theories.
John McCarthy will begin the seminar by discussing some of the problems
that have arisen in using abnormality to formalize common sense knowledge about
the effects of actions using circumscription. His paper Applications of
Circumscription to Formalizing Commmon Sense Knowledge is available from Rutie
Adler 358MJH. This paper was given in the Non-monotonic Workshop, and the
present version, which is to be published in Artificial Intelligence, is not
greatly different. The problems in question relate to trying to use the formalism
of that paper.
The seminar will replace the circumscription seminar we had last year.
If you were on the mailing list for that seminar then you will be automatically
included in the new mailing list. If you would like to be added to the mailing
list (or removed from it) send a message to Vladimir Lifschitz (VAL@SAIL).
The first meeting is in 252MJH on Wednesday, October 30, at 2pm.
∂03-Oct-85 1743 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: news from Taiwan
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: news from Taiwan
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboards@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Thu 3 Oct 85 15:00:00-PDT
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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JMC -
I still subscribe to Beijing Review and China Reconstructs.
You are welcome to read my copies. I tend to keep my back issues
of CR since they have become increasingly non-political and quite
collectable, the way Smithsonian or National History is. I'm
thus less likely to abandon them to the CS lounge.
Once again you bring up the same old tired refrain "yes, KMT
Taiwan isn't really free, but its enemies are Communists who will
eliminate all freedom." In other words, anti-Communism is more
important than any of our other beliefs. I won't bore the reader
by listing all the times this has been used to justify the most
heinous crimes against humanity.
It is completely irrelevant to bring up whether or not China
is a free country. Certainly its culture and social system is
quite different from our own. But casual or short-term studies
can be misleading. "Two Years in the Melting Pot" by Liu Zongren
describes how a Chinese journalist felt in our culture and social
system. Liu jumped to conclusions about the US that he now
disavows as being the product of cockiness and too little study.
Even if you consider China to be a totalitarian police state (as
KMT Taiwan certainly is), comparing totalitarian police states is
like comparing being boiled in oil to being burned at the stake.
The KMT goes beyond this. The KMT claims that their
government is democratic, and that KMT Taiwan (the so-called
"Republic of China") is a free country by US standards. This is
plainly false, and slanders us. I do not like seeing my country
slandered by a murderous bunch of right-wing dictators and then
to see my country's government rewarding these bastards with
military and economic aid!
Had the KMT been a free government instead of the corrupt
bunch of warlords and murderers they are, they never would have
been overthrown by the Communists. It probably also would have
helped if they paid more than lip service to fighting the
Japanese during WWII (and didn't sell arms to the Japanese behind
our backs!).
JMC's then turns to the new romanized spelling of Chinese
words as adopted by the Chinese. This system, called Pinyin, has
several purposes, not the least being a possible replacement of
traditional Chinese writing with Pinyin (needless to say, this is
*very* controversial in China). Its main purpose was to try to
create a system of romanization which in some way reflects
unambiguously the pronounciation of Chinese words. The previous
system was invented by well-intentioned missionaries whose
skills, while otherwise considerable, did not include modern-day
linguistics. Many romanizations were based on the combined
efforts of American, British, and French missionaries who each
imposed their own languages' pronounciations on their
romanization efforts (the French influence is particularly
obvious).
An example of the traditional system vs. Pinyin is in the
name of a Chinese city famous for its beer (it's a coastside spa
with some of the cleanest water in the world). It is pronounced
something like 'Ching-dow' ("dow" as in "Dow Jones"); the actual
sound isn't exactly duplicatible in English. The traditional
spelling is Tsingtao; Pinyin's is Qingdao. China's last dynasty
of emporers was Ch'ing in traditional spelling (what does the
apostrophe mean compared to Ching?); Pinyin is Qing.
The attempt was to rationalize romanization of Chinese
words, not to English standards but to some form of international
standard. Critizing the use of Pinyin as being "obsequious" is
not much different from opposing the metric system on the grounds
that it was created by French revolutionaries and that if we
adopted metric the Red Army can't be far behind.
-- Mark --
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∂03-Oct-85 1801 WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA japanese
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From: Marianne Winslett <WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: japanese
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12148287845.9.WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Actually, as a child brought up in Japan, I can testify that the
roman spellings of Japanese words are phonetic (i.e., are taken straight
from the sounds of the hiragana (sp?) alphabet). Japanese is actually
a cinch to pronounce. It reminds me a lot of Spanish, except the
accent/intonation is more in the style of French, in that accents on
syllables of words aren't fixed.
--Marianne
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∂03-Oct-85 1819 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA mcc
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From: AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA
To: jmc@su-ai
Subject: mcc
Can you still come to consult here on the 18th and 19th of October?
If so, may I arrange a dinner for Friday the 18th with you
and some UT people?
∂03-Oct-85 2348 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Thu 3 Oct 85 17:57:00-PDT
Okay. Thanks for the explanation.
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∂04-Oct-85 0000 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: news from Taiwan
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: news from Taiwan
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboard@SU-CSLI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Thu 3 Oct 85 15:00:00-PDT
To agree for once with JMC, it is indeed peculiar how readily the
pin-yin transcription system has been adopted in this country. Not
only is it not very transparent to English speakers but it is not
even particularly well justified on Chinese-internal grounds, i.e. it
doesn't reflect the native writing system or the linguistic analysis.
This contrasts with the Japanese case where the kunrei romanization used
in Japan is both closer to Japanese kana orthography and linguistically
more correct than the Hepburn romanization favored in non-specialist
circles in the United States, though the latter does indeed lead to more
accurate pronunciation by those who do not know Japanese.
Just as the adoption of pin-yin is probably politically motivated,
so, after the Second World War, the occupation authorities in Japan tried
to impose the Hepburn system on the dubious grounds that the kunrei system
was somehow inherently militaristic while the Hepburn system, devised by
an American missionary, was wholesome and democratic. This was taken so
seriously that the occupation authorities for several years refused to
allow the publication in or importation into Japan of Bernard Bloch's papers
on Japanese (Bloch was an important American linguist who had worked on
Japanese as part of the war effort to teach foreign languages to military
personnel and who had published a serious of papers on his work) because
the phonemicization that he used was approximately the same as the kunrei
romanization.
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∂04-Oct-85 0032 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: news from Taiwan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, SU-BBoards@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Thu 3 Oct 85 18:10:00-PDT
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
Message-ID: <12148359078.20.CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Now JMC is interjecting the subject of racism to further
obfuscate the debate! I said that China has a different cultural
and social system from our own. Clearly, Chinese culture is
substantially different from American culture, which in turn is
substantially different from various European cultures, which is
different from various African cultures, etc. ad nauseum. China
also has a different social system from ours; theirs is a
somewhat extreme form of socialism while ours is social
capitalism.
Nothing in these observations is racist, nor is it an
"excuse for lack of freedom in...China." What these observations
do point out is that one cannot make judgements about an alien
society without understanding the background of that society. It
is just as wrong to judge China by American standards as it is
for foreigners to judge America as a lawless gangster nation
based on our crime rate.
Nor is it wise to compare living standards in Taiwan vs.
China. Taiwan was an advanced, educated, western, industrial
island before the KMT took over, courtesy of the Japanese. KMT
China by comparison was one of the poorest nations on the planet.
This cannot be blamed solely on western imperialism; local
corruption and feuding between warlords must take a large part of
the blame. China had famines which made today's East Africa
famine look trivial by comparison. Disease was epidemic; some
cities and villages had 95% VD rates.
However, China isn't at issue here. While JMC may claim
that China is not a free country, it can be counter-claimed that
the Communists have done more to improve the state of human
existance in the 36 years they've been in power than the KMT did
in their 37 years.
JMC coyly states that "Taiwan...can tolerate a lot more
opposition", not that "Taiwan tolerates a lot more opposition."
The fact is that Taiwan does not tolerate any opposition to the
ruling KMT dictators. Taiwan has "elections", but only for minor
offices and only for Taiwan province's seats in the legislature.
Most seats in the legislature are permanently KMT-controlled,
being the KMT seats for all the other Chinese provinces (and
therefore having had no new elections since 1949). Even if
Taiwan elected all opposition deputies (which can't happen since
there are 2 million KMT mainlanders in Taiwan), it would make no
difference because all the mainland province seats are
permanently KMT and have the vast majority of control.
In KMT Taiwan, advocating any type of relations with China
-- even postal and telephone so that sundered families can
communicate -- can result in a death sentence in Taiwan. It's
interesting that JMC suggested an exchange of newspapers. China
has already suggested just that...and KMT Taiwan has vehemently
rejected the idea.
Even South Korea -- a government with more legitimacy than
KMT Taiwan (or South Vietnam) and dealing with a much more
irrational enemy (North Korea is high on my list of "worst places
in the world") isn't that stupid. South Korea cannot be called a
free country (the KCIA is easily as notorious as SAVAK was), but
they've made some concessions to the government's opponents and
have at least paid lip service to talks with North Korea. There
has even been talk about the 1988 Seoul Olympics being officially
hosted joinly by North and South Korea (a device to prevent
another round of East/West Olympic boycotts besides making some
appearance at progress towards reunification -- something both
North and South Korea claim as goals).
There is an old saying, "any enemy of my enemies is my
friend." This is how the KMT lost China -- they persecuted
freedom-loving people to the point that they made the Communists
look like saviors. Perhaps they were -- does anybody seriously
believe that the KMT would win a truly free election in all of
China?
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∂04-Oct-85 0833 AI.ELLIE@MCC.ARPA Hotel reservations
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From: Ellie Huck <AI.ELLIE@MCC.ARPA>
Subject: Hotel reservations
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: ai.boyer@MCC.ARPA
I have made reservations for you at the Brookhollow, Northwest for
checkin October 17th and checkout October 20th -- if this is not
satisfactory, please let me know. Also, let me know if I can be of
any further assistance to you.
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∂04-Oct-85 0857 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting Wed. Oct. 9th at 4:30 pm
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Meeting Wed. Oct. 9th at 4:30 pm
To: csdfacilities@su-pescadero.arpa
Several people cant make 4:00 but 4:30 seemed OK.
So, let's meet at 4:30 pm in chairman's conference room in MJH.
Not everyone can attend but this seems the best we can do.
∂04-Oct-85 1131 TW Plan for the PhD committee
To: phdcom@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
This is a first description of what we will be doing in the new PhD
committee. The only item for immediate action is:
Unless I hear from you that the 2:15-3:30 Tuesday slot is generally
bad, I will use it for meetings, and in particular our first
meeting will be at 2:15 on Tuesday, Oct. 15. I will confirm this
by next Tuesday (the 8th), so objections must be received before then.
---------------
The committee this year has two functions -- the startup, and the first round
of the steady state.
STARTUP: We will review the PhD program requirements with the possibility of
suggesting changes for approval by the faculty as a whole. I plan to do
this in stages:
1) gather opinions on what (if anything) is wrong, and what else we might do
2) have the committee agree on a set of initial proposals
3) make these available for public discussion
4) revise them in light of the responses
5) propose them to the faculty.
Item 1 will consist of soliciting opinions on-line and holding an open meeting
for anyone interested. That meeting will not try to resolve or decide anything,
just make sure everyone has a chance to raise issues. It will be in the next
month or so.
Item 2 I hope will involve not more than one or two whole-group meetings,
with whatever additional caucuses are needed to support them. This phase
should be short to get to the next one soon.
Item 3 will consist of on-line publication, faculty lunch discussion, etc.
It would be nice to get through the final steps in time for action at the
faculty meeting at the beginning of winter quarter, so that any new
policies could be reflected in next year's catalog (copy due in February).
We can decide as things go on whether changes should be applied this year
(with appropriate grandparent clauses), or should take effect starting
next year.
STEADY STATE: Barring major changes in the overall system, there will be
an ongoing committee to monitor the progress of all PhD students. It will
combine functions that have been (at times sporadically) filled by Stuart,
the chair, Victoria, the grey/black meetings, and ad hoc coalitions of
advisors. It will include:
1) maintaining progress records (Victoria is already doing this, but we may
want to modify or expand them)
2) organizing and running the review process (grey and black meetings, etc.)
3) organizing some kind of advising for students who are past the hurdles but
not yet attached to a research advisor (this may be something the committee
itself does on an ongoing basis, or something we may decide to delegate).
If you have any additions or comments on all of this, it would be useful to
send them on-line so that we can all mull them over before the Oct 15 meeting.
You can mail to PHDCOM@SCORE. --t
This list currently consists of:
@sail tw,jmc, <winograd and mcCarthy>
@shasta reid,
@navajo pratt,
@score cheadle, guibas, rosenbloom
@sushi berglund, karp, scholz
∂04-Oct-85 1230 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA Friday lunch
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From: PHayes@SRI-KL
Subject: Friday lunch
To: JMC%SU-AI@SRI-KL
John, I dont think Im going to get to lunch today after all. In any
case, dont wait for me: if I can get to tinlunch I will see you there.
I will be back in touch
Sorry
Pat
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∂04-Oct-85 1332 RA Prof. Alan Rowe
Prof. Rowe from Univerity of Southern Calif. called; he can be reached
now at (213) 472 3566 or Monday at the university (213) 743 8326; he might
try and call later.
∂04-Oct-85 1510 100 (from: anonymous on TTY74, at TV-140)
test
∂04-Oct-85 1604 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa Sail Mail
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From: Moshe Vardi <vardi@diablo>
Subject: Sail Mail
To: jmc@sail
Sail refuse to let you send mail without first logging in.
Moshe
∂04-Oct-85 1626 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa Anonymous mail
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From: Moshe Vardi <vardi@diablo>
Subject: Anonymous mail
To: JMC@Sail
Here is a transcript of my session:
Script started on Fri Oct 4 16:25:46 1985
% tn sail
Trying...
Connected to su-ai.arpa.
Escape character is '↑↑'.
SU-AI WAITS 9.17/P Assembled 08/30/85
.mail su-bboards
Job 35 SU-AI WAITS 9.17/P Assembled 08/30/85
Please type your name or network mailbox: anonymous
Subject: China
? You must be logged in to SEND or MAIL from the network.Kjob
.quit
Connection closed by foreign host.
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script done on Fri Oct 4 16:26:23 1985
I suspect that you can send a message from a hardwired terminal without
logging in.
Moshe
∂04-Oct-85 1634 Mailer failed mail returned
To: JMC
In processing the following command:
MAIL Kathy O'Toole Oakland Tribune
The following message was aborted because of a command error,
namely, nonexistent recipient(s):
Kathy
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O'Toole Oakland Tribune
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∂04-Oct-85 1708 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA private (not for BBoards)
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: private (not for BBoards)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
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John -
I find it very gracious of you to offer to the mainland Chinese
students information on how to post their views of the Chinese
political situation on the bulletin board anonymously without fear
of reprisal.
I hope your intention was also to extend the same invitation to
Taiwanese students here who are opponents of the KMT government and
who similarly fear reprisal. After all, you must grant that if my
statements about Taiwan are true then only the pro-KMT Taiwanese
would dare to speak out on BBoard. This would especially be the case
if you consider my claim that there are KMT spies who monitor the
public and private statements of Taiwanese students in the USA.
I'm not addressing any of my other evidence to back up this claim.
I'm pointing out to you that the absence of anti-KMT messages from
Taiwanese students can have a different interpretation than the lack
of anti-KMT sentiment, and therefore cannot be used to disprove my
statement.
If you did intend your invitation to be as general as I believe
it to be, I hope you will make a public clarification.
-- Mark --
PS: If one of your Chinese students came to you and asked for help in
getting permanent asylum in the US from the Communist government, would
you help that person? Suppose that person wanted to defect to Taiwan?
PPS: If so, suppose it was one of your Taiwanese students who asked for
your help in getting asylum from the KMT government, and he wanted to
defect to China?
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∂04-Oct-85 1732 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Mosher
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Mosher
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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Since you brought it up...what do you think about Mosher's dismissal?
Campus Report had a rather detailed set of articles. If this information
is true, than Mosher was rather a slimeball.
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∂04-Oct-85 1740 KUO@SU-SIERRA.ARPA respect
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From: J.B. Kuo <KUO@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: respect
To: mccarthy@SU-AI.ARPA
Professor McCarthy:
I was born in Taiwan and had been living in Taiwan for 20 years
before I came to U. S. I have been reading bulletin board. I deeply
respect your righteousness and support in fighting back those crazy
statements. thanks J.B. Kuo
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∂04-Oct-85 1836 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Mosher
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: Mosher
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 4 Oct 85 18:04:00-PDT
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
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Kennedy's letter to Mosher as published in Campus Reports seems to
detail a pattern in which Mosher was either concealing the full
truth, telling contradictory stories, or downright lying. As it
reads, any single one of the incidents were minor, but it sure presents
a damning pattern.
I don't think his breaking of US law was "trivial". While it exposes a
weakness in our security system, it isn't excusable.
Mosher seems to have engaged in a number of questionable financial
dealings, especially involving grant money.
The excerpts from his letters sure do make him appear to be somewhat
greedy, callous, and manipulative. It's questionable whether he really
was concerned more about scientific research or about coming off as a
hot-shot crusading investigative reporter. It's hard to think of a more
emotionally-charged topic than forced abortion (is there any evidence
that it was an official Chinese government policy? The Chinese government
today (1) admits it happened in some rural areas (2) claims it was illegal
(3) claims to have punished those responsible).
I think Mosher has a great job waiting for him in journalism; someone with
his tendencies would be a great muck-raker. I don't think he'd make a
good anthropologist.
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∂04-Oct-85 2000 CLT
call jerry
∂05-Oct-85 0947 CLT
call jerry
∂05-Oct-85 1239 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA draft letter
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: draft letter
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12148753780.10.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
John, How's this? (I am sending a draft copy also to someone in the
Engrg School who is an expert on looking for all the things such letters
ought to have in them.) -Nils
Dear ......:
The Stanford Computer Science Department is considering the promotion of
Assistant Professor Michael Genesereth to the rank of Associate
Professor (with tenure). Stanford has very high standards for promotion
and seeks, therefore, review by eminent scholars to judge the merits of
each case. We ask your recommendation about whether or not Michael's
work has been sufficiently outstanding that his promotion to tenure at
Stanford is justified.
We hope that your letter will address as many of the following questions
as are relevant:
- How well do you know Michael and in what capacities?
- How would you characterize his ability to carry out creative and
significant research?
- Can you cite some of his specific achievements and their overall
importance?
- How would you assess his abilities: in teaching and curriculum
development? in advising students? in supervising dissertation research?
- What is his potential for continued growth in teaching and research?
We would like a balanced evaluation including comments on any weak points
as well as strong points.
Our department will deliberate and vote on this matter after receiving
your letter and others; if the vote is positive, the file will be sent
on to higher Stanford committees where it will be read by people who may
not be specialists in Computer Science. Therefore, it is important that
an educated "layman" be able to understand the thrust of your
recommendations.
Stanford has found that the most useful letters include explicit
comparisons with the world's leading individuals in a candidate's field
and career stage. Therefore, I would ask you to compare Michael with as
many people as possible on the following list of names:
[[[To be added]]]
I have included the names of many of the best people I could think of
who are at approximately the same stage in their careers, plus several
people who are somewhat senior, as well as some who already have tenure.
Perhaps I have overlooked some excellent persons, in which case I would
appreciate it if you could supply the name. It will be a big help if you
can mention the ways in which you believe Michael's performance to be
better or worse than that of these people.
Of course, comparisons are sometimes invidious and almost always neither easy
nor pleasant to make. You certainly will feel reluctant to say that A is
better than B unless you know that your letter will be held in strictest
confidence. I can assure you that your letter will be read only by our
senior faculty and the administrative people responsible for acting on this
appointment. I hope you will feel comfortable in expressing your frank
opinion. As an extra aid to security, I have used a two-digit code after
each name on the above list, so that you can, if you like, refer to each
person by the code number instead of the name. Then your letter can be
interpreted only by the people who have the key.
I am enclosing Michael's curriculum vitae, including the list of his
publications, and I am also enclosing a number of his key and/or recent
writings in order to aid you in evaluating this case. Additionally,
please feel free to request any of the publications on the list which I
have not included.
The decision to appoint faculty to tenure positions is the most important
decision that this department ever makes. We realize that in asking for this
review we are asking a very big favor of someone whose schedule is already
overcommitted. However, I hope that you will be able to find the time to
consider this matter carefully and give us the benefit of your advice. We
promise to reciprocate when the appropriate opportunity arises.
We would appreciate having your response by January 1, 1986.
Sincerely yours,
John McCarthy
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∂05-Oct-85 1354 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Course Descriptions
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Course Descriptions
To: Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, TW@SU-AI.ARPA,
JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, Rosenbloom@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, Shortliffe@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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At our AI retreat we discussed the possibility of adding another AI course,
namely a follow-on to CS223A, the Genesereth Intro. AI course. Mike and I
have talked a bit more about this and would like to offer an "Advanced AI
Course." The book we are writing would cover both the intro and the advanced
course, so Mike and I propose "team teaching" both courses. I made a few
minor changes to the catalog description of CS223A and have written up
a draft description of the proposed new course, CS323. I attach proposed
descriptions of both courses. Comments? -Nils
AI Course Descriptions
CS223A FUNDAMENTALS OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE --A rigorous introduction
to the issues and ideas of Artificial Intelligence. Topics include
knowledge representation, automated deduction, search control, planning,
machine learning, and metalevel reasoning. Prerequisites: Math 160A
or equivalent background in logic and familiarity with mathematical
reasoning and computer programming.
3 units, Win (Genesereth/Nilsson)
MWF 12:50-2:05
CS323 ADVANCED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE--Advanced topics including the
representation of propositional attitudes (such as knowledge and
belief), nonmonotonic reasoning, reasoning with uncertain beliefs, the
representation of topics needed for commonsense reasoning (such as
action, time, and processes), intelligent robots, machine learning, and
distributed artificial intelligence. Prerequisite: CS223A or equivalent.
3 units, Spr (Genesereth/Nilsson)
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∂05-Oct-85 1421 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA your question
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Subject: your question
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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John,
In response to your question about formalizing resoltuion as a function
on belief states. It is indeed possible to do this in fairly straightforwrd
fashion. However, not every resolution control structure can be done in
this way. For example, depth first and breadth first search require
a stack. Set of support requires additoional information if you are
doiung anything other than horn clause deduction, etc. I glossed over
these points in the talk because (1) the analysis as stated applies
to a wide variety of resolution strategies and (2) the rest of the
strategies can be captured by storing the additional information
(e.g. stack) as a single metalevel statement. These extra statements
don't invalidate the theorems but do complicate them quite a bit.
(Note that to define depth first set of support resolution at the
metalevel one would have to have a single statement at level 3 to
record the stack information.)
mrg
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∂05-Oct-85 1714 PMF@S1-A.ARPA
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To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
∂05-Oct-85 0008 JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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Was that you logged in to SAIL just before midnight Oct 4?
No. Probably was Rod Hyde or Lowell.
∂05-Oct-85 2253 VAL re: your circumscription
[In reply to message rcvd 05-Oct-85 01:33-PT.]
I don't think so. Having individuals as variables or parameters is covered
by the definition of circumscription in my IJCAI paper, and what I use here
seems to be different. What we do here is using infinitely many mimimality
conditions instead of one. You said once about Tweety-type examples that
they are actually propositional, even though formally we use unary predicates.
This is because Tweety-type axioms can be viewed as infinite conjunctions of
propositional formulas, with the names of all the birds in the universe
substituted for x, and the circumscription is equivalent to the conjunction
of infinitely many circumscriptions corresponding to different values of x.
In situation calculus, we again can view the axiom set as the conjunction of
infinitely many axiom sets, one for every value of s. But this time it does make
a difference whether we impose one minimality condition or infinitely many
minimality conditions, one for every situation (because, unlike in the Tweety
example, there are axioms which establish connections between the values of the
fluents corresponding to different values of s: the axioms which relate the
positions of blocks in situation s and their positions in situation
result(e,s)). So imposing one "two-dimensional" minimality condition and
infinitely many "one-dimensional" minimality conditions are two different
things. And I claim that the latter reflects our intuition better.
∂06-Oct-85 1002 SANKAR@SU-SCORE.ARPA communism and democracy, how they differ
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From: Sriram Sankar <SANKAR@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: communism and democracy, how they differ
To: su-bboards@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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JMC, you are correct, the intention of my message was to convey that
it is more appropriate to compare communism with capitalism, and not
with democracy.
Sriram.
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∂07-Oct-85 0049 VAL Consistency of new circumscription
The consistency of a wide class of circumscriptive theories like those in my
paper "Circ'n in the blocks world" can be probably established as follows.
We define a model in which the set of situations consists of an initial
situation S0 and all situations obtained from it as a result of a finite
sequence of events defined by ground terms. The values of fluents in a
situation s are defined by induction on the length of the sequence of events
leading from S0 to s. In situation S0 they are arbitrary. If the fluents are
defined in a situation s then we define the abnormalities in s so as to
make their extensions minimal, given the values of the fluents in s, and then
define the fluents in situations of the form result(e,s) so as to make them
consistent with the values of the fluents in s.
For instance, in the example with moving and painting blocks the model will
be constructed as follows: (i) define the initial positions and colors of the
blocks arbitrarily, (ii) define the violations of inertia and cases when
moving and painting are impossible in the initial situation so as to minimize
abs in the initial situation; (iii) define the positions and colors of the
blocks in situations of the form result(e,S0) so as to satisfy the axioms;
(iv) define the violations of inertia and cases when actions are impossible
in situations of the form result(e,S0) so as to minimize abs in these
situations; etc.
I hope that it will be possible to describe general syntactic conditions
on the form of axioms under which this construction gives a model of the
new circumscription. One of the conditions will be that all axioms that
relate the values of fluents in different situations relate s with
result(e,s), i.e., look only across one event. This is similar to the
definition of Markov chains in probability theory.
One more remark about consistency: if we have usual circ'n, with one
minimization, but relative to a complex ordering, say, with infinitely
many different priorities, then, I suspect, we may have axioms of a very
simple syntactic structure where there would be no minimal models. I
proved that circ'n cannot lead to an inconsistency when axioms are
universal and there are finitely many priorities, but I believe the last
condition is essential. So using "old" circ'n by itself won't solve the
problem of consistency.
∂07-Oct-85 1333 SMC inference meeting
Thelma called from Inference to confirm the meeting at 9am. on Oct. 17th. Cal[1,jmc]
shows the meeting at 9:30, and your flight may need to be changed. Let me
know what you would like done in this regard.
∂07-Oct-85 1406 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:SHOHAM@YALE.ARPA minimality criterion of circumscription
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 85 15:58:38 EDT
From: Yoav Shoham <Shoham@YALE.ARPA>
To: JMC@SU-SCORE
Dear Prof. McCarthy,
Greetings from New Haven, where the weather is foul and all the
squirrels good looking. I wonder if you'd care to comment on the
following.
Recently I've been helping a friend who is struggling to apply
circumscription to temporal reasoning. It became apparent that
the model theoretic criterion of minimality (i.e., set inclusion)
was not appropriate for our purposes, nor could things be rectified
by using either prioritized circ. or joint circ.
I won't bore you with the details of the problem. Suffice it
to say that the models intuitively prefered were those where P(x)
held for
*as early x's as possible* rather than *as few x's as possible*.
Furthermore this preference criterion could not be obtained by
applying the usual set-inclusion criterion to some other
predicate in the theory.
One natural solution is to generalize circumscription by
parameterizing the minimality criterion. Have you or any of
your associates thought about such a possibility? It of course
would require rethinking the proof theory.
Another possibility is reducing any minimality criterion to the
existing one of set inclusion. For example, consider what could be
called the class of lexicographic criteria, where M1<M2 (wrt P)
if for a1<a2<... ai<... P(aj) is true in both models M1 and M2
for j=1..n, and P(a n+1) is true in M1 but not in M2.
In this case we could define a *new* predicate, say VIOLATE, as
follows:
VIOLATE(x,y) <=> P(x) ↑ -P(y) ↑ x<y.
Now by using prioritized circumscription on P *and* VIOLATE it
seems that we could achieve the desired effect.
However, it remains to be shown what needs to be done for more
complex criteria of minimality. I'm sure that you have more
insight into it than me, and would be interested in your comments.
Regards,
Yoav.
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∂07-Oct-85 1413 SMC Paper from home
Please bring a copy of "A Basis for a Mathematical Theory of Computation..."
so that I can xerox it. THX
∂07-Oct-85 1428 SMC Inference meeting
Oooops. I looked at the wrong date initially. You do have it correctly listed in CAL
∂07-Oct-85 1533 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Chris Goad
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Chris Goad
To: cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12149309570.15.RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Following is the tentative schedule for Chris Goad on October 8:
9:00 - 10:00 meet with Nils in MJH 216
10:00 - 10:30 meet with Grosof and Vistnes (students) in MJH 220
10:30 - 12:00 open
12:00 - 1:00 possibly lunch at faculty club or included in CSD lunch
1:00 - 1:30 meet with Rosenbloom in Jordan 436
1:30 - 2:00 meet with Binford in MJH 220
2:00 - 2:30 meet with Wiederhold in MJH 438
2:30 - 3:30 meet with Search Committee in MJH 220
4:15 - 5:00 Colloquium in Skilling Auditorium
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∂07-Oct-85 1725 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B An answer to your questions
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From: Marq Laube <b.bowie@LOTS-B>
Subject: An answer to your questions
To: "Students in CS306": ;
Message-ID: <12149329171.13.B.BOWIE@LOTS-B>
OK, I have received so many requests for an explanation, that I am
going to try to send this to all of you. If you get it twice, or
it goes to the wrong place, or if you don't get it, please send me a note.
Remember that an s-expression is a binary try, where the CAR is the
left child of the tree and the CDR is the right child. For instance,
((a . b) . (c . d)) can be represented thus:
/\
/\ /\
a b c d
A list, then is just a special form of this binary tree, namely this:
(a b c d) can be represented:
/\
a /\
b /\
c /\
d nil
and you can see that the CAR of (a b c d) is a, and the cdr is the list
(b c d). See?
This of course, works recursively, and the nested list:
((a1 a2) b c (d1 d2)) can be represented: (I hope this works:)
/\
/\ /\
a1 /\ b /\
a2 () c /\
/\ ()
d1 /\
d2 ()
(In case you don't understand that, don't wworry, the graphics are very poor)
Basically, it says that we have a list with four elements : (a1 a2), b, c,
and (d1 d2).
So, (finally), we have this:
the fringe of an s-expression is the list made up of its elements (IN ORDER)
and a balanced s-expression is one hose corresponding tree is balanced.
(The definition of a balanced tree is one where every node has an equal
number of left children as it does right children, within one.)
so, this is balanced: ((a . (b . c)) . (d . e))
Why? well, here is the tree:
/\
/\ /\
a /\ d e
b c
OK, notice that at the top level, the right sub-tree has two children, and the
left sub tree has three-- a difference of one.
Likewise, the two branches of the right subtree have one child a piece, and
the to branches of the left sub-tree have one, and two, respectively. That
is a difference of one, also.
So, that is balnced (and its fringe is (a b c d e)! )
There you go!
-Marq
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∂07-Oct-85 1821 klawe.sjrlvm1%ibm-sj.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA letter about the work of Fagin, Halpern and Vardi
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From: Maria Klawe <klawe%ibm-sj.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA>
To: jmc@su-ai.arpa
Subject: letter about the work of Fagin, Halpern and Vardi
Thank you very much for agreeing to write a letter in support
of an IBM award for the work of Ron Fagin, Joe Halpern and Moshe Vardi
on the theory of knowledge. The letter should be addressed to me at:
Maria Klawe
K53-801
IBM ALmaden Research Center
650 Harry Rd.
San Jose, CA 95120-6099
I know your opinion will carry a lot of weight here, so I really
appreciate your taking the time to write this.
Thank you again, Maria.
∂08-Oct-85 0731 minker@mimsy.umd.edu Re: missing paper
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Subject: Re: missing paper
My secretary forgot to put the paper in the envelope. She will
mail it out today. Sorry.
Jack
∂08-Oct-85 0922 SMC phone call
Please call John Perry at 327-0649.
∂08-Oct-85 0927 TW time for meetings
To: phdcom@SU-AI.ARPA
I have had two people respond to my question about Phd committee
meeting time, both having a potential conflict that is moveable.
If nobody else responds today, I will go ahead and set the time
as planned. --t
∂08-Oct-85 1023 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Palo Alto Cable Co-op
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Palo Alto Cable Co-op
To: SU-BBoards@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
cc: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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As a resident of (and cable TV activist in) Mountain View, I
applaud the victory of Cable Co-op in Palo Alto. It further
confirms my firmly-held belief and trust in the inability of the
Palo Alto City Council to do anything reasonable. Once again,
Palo Alto comes through! Then again, what else can you expect
from the lotus-eaters, aging hippies, and ex-Jesus freaks
responsible for Palo Alto's street barriers, poorly-placed stop
signs, and the scaring off of any businesses other than the dinky
hippie-dippie sort?
More importantly, I was seriously worried about what would
happen if City Cable Partners (the people who wanted to link up
with Mountain View) won. The Mountain View City Council already
dictates to Viacom what it must (and must not) carry. However, I
largely agree with them, with the exception of the banning of the
Playboy Channel. If Palo Alto got involved, we'd probably see
Cinemax and The Movie Channel replaced with The Granola Channel
and The Good Earth Cookbook Channel.
Good luck, Cable Co-op. I look forward to your providing
years of education and entertainment -- to everybody fortunate
enough NOT to be in your service area!
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∂08-Oct-85 1102 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Cable Co-op leftist?
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Cable Co-op leftist?
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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Please don't insult the Left like that. A co-op isn't
leftist. It's a creation of pseudo-leftists whose version of
socialism is to have small fry like themselves become petty
capitalists (and then exploit everybody who didn't join in).
Once one of these lotus-eaters gets into any real money, he
becomes just as much a rightist as those who were always that
way. A real leftist is one whose political beliefs survive his
becoming well-off.
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∂08-Oct-85 1114 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA what public access TV is like
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: what public access TV is like
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 725 Mariposa Ave. #103; Mountain View, CA 94041-1869
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
Message-ID: <12149525337.82.CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Most communities have two flavors of local cable TV. The
first, called Public Access, is open to everybody. If you want
to have the "JMC's Dog and All His Cute Tricks Show", you can do
it. It's "censored" only that the following are forbidden:
. pornography
. commercialism
. lotteries or other forms of gambling.
In particular, "bad taste" (whatever that means) will not
keep you off. Mountain View has a regular Scientology program;
in some cities the local Nazis and KKK have been cablecasting
their trash (a lot of people have been *very* upset by this). So
you don't have to worry about your political views -- it is
certainly a perfectly reasonable (and uncontroversial) subject
for cablecasting. The only real thing that limits you is your
ability to churn out programs. There are generally lots of
Public Access slots available and typically they're begging for
more.
The second, called Local Origination, is less of a zoo.
These are sponsored in some way, ranging from production by the
cable company (e.g. coverage of city events, council meetings,
"meet the candidates" near election times, etc.) to production by
private individuals under grant, to some combination. Grants are
typically disbursed by a board appointed by the city council out
of a fund that receives n% of the company's profits in that city.
Of course, if Cable Co-op fufills my expections, there will be no
profit, and it will be a nice money sink for a long long time.
Getting a grant is time-consuming and requires you to
carefully budget everything. You also do not get your money up
front; you have to follow a schedule and you get your checks
after the completion of certain milestones. You don't get your
final check until you complete the program for cablecast, so you
have some temporary out-of-pocket expenses.
Public Access is probably your best forum in any case. If
you do Public Access, you pay all expenses but then are
accountable only to yourself. You still get free use of
equipment and enough tape stock to produce your program.
You always get to keep a copy of your final program on tape
after it is cablecast no matter which way you produced it. Your
program may also get broadcast on PBS if it is good enough; there
are yearly awards for the best in public access cable.
I would be willing to lend you some technical assistance.
I'm trained in both field and studio shooting. I suspect you'd
want a studio program. I can also lend you some advice -- if you
are doing a "talking heads" program be sure you have something to
break up the monotony -- graphs, at least 1 "film" to roll during
the program. Study interview shows on broadcast TV, and remember
that unlike these shows you have 1/2 hour (or whatever) without
any commercial breaks.
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∂08-Oct-85 1253 SJG reference needed
Dear John:
I need to refer to Ascribing Mental Qualities ... What should I
call it? (Stanford AI memo?)
Thanks.
Matt
∂08-Oct-85 1453 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA re: PLANLUNCH mailing list
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 8 Oct 85 14:46:00-PDT
OK, you're on the list. Speaking of which, how would you like to
give a talk later this quarter - say, Nov.25, Dec.2 or Dec.9?
Also, Mike Georgeff and I are still planning on putting together
the AAAI-funded workshop you suggested. Either in March or May.
-Amy
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∂08-Oct-85 1554 B.BOWIE@LOTS-A Here's some data for you!
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From: Marq Laube <b.bowie@LOTS-A>
Subject: Here's some data for you!
To: "Students in CS306": ;
cc: b.bobe@LOTS-A
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Here's some data. First of all, this is your assignment(s):
problems:
Due Thursday, Oct 10.
1,3,4,5,9,10,11,13
Due Thursday, Oct 24.
17, 19, 25, 26, 27, 28, 43
and here is problems 42 and 43, which you probably don't have.
(You don't need to do 42, of course, but it's just for your interest:)
PROBLEM 42.
For any graph g, REACHABLE[u,v,g] is true if and only if there is a
sequence of vertices U(1), U(2), ... U(n) in g with U = U(1), V = U(n) and
ISNEXT[U(i), U(i+1), g] for i <= n <= n-1.
NOTE: in the above example, U(n) means "the nth vertice".
PROBLEM 43.
For any graph g, CONN[g], is true if and only if the directed graph
g is connected in the sense that every vertex is reachable from
every other vertex.
NB: Graphs may have cycles, so when you are processing a graph you
need to keep track of where you have been in order to avoid an
endlessly looping program.
That's about it, I think.
Send complaints, etc, and have fun with it!
-Marq
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∂08-Oct-85 1603 B.BOWIE@LOTS-A more data
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Date: Tue 8 Oct 85 15:57:20-PDT
From: Marq Laube <b.bowie@LOTS-A>
Subject: more data
To: "Students in CS306": ;
cc: b.bobe@LOTS-A
Message-ID: <12149576561.219.B.BOWIE@LOTS-A>
and here is the other handout, a little updated.
CS 206: Recursive Programming and Proving
Professor: John McCarthy
Office: Margaret Jacks Hall, room 356
Office Phone: 497-4430
Location: ERL 320
TA's
Mark T Laube Bob Givan
B.Bowie@@LOTS B.BGivan@@LOTS
327-6277 321-3118 (let it ring...)
#11 Kingscote Gardens Columbae
Office Hours: after classes Office Hours: after classes
TextBooks:
The Common Lisp Manual, Steele.
Available in the bookstore, REAL SOON NOW.
LISP Programming and Proving), McCarthy and Talcott.
Available from Rutie Adler in MJH 358. Price: $9.00
Course Trivia:
The course includes an in-class midterm, scheduled temporarily for
Nov. 7th, and a final, not yet certain whether take-home or in-class.
Homework sets will be on programming, proving, and mechanical
program proving. For necessary computer work, we will be using the
LOTS Computer Facility, located in the CERAS building and Tresidder
Union (old bowling alley). There are dial-up lines available, all of
which can fuction with either 300 or 1200 baud. Their numbers are:
323-7631 (ten ports)
322-5771 (ten ports)
497-9021 (ten ports)
497-0451 (ten ports)
Students without accounts should proceed to the CERAS building, fill
out the appropriate form, and type OPEN to the @ prompt. All students
should be sure that they are on the computer class list by running the
@b(update) program. Allocation for this class will be six hours a
week.
Good Luck, and welcome aboard!
that's all folks....
-marq!
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∂08-Oct-85 1649 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B more dat to consume
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From: Marq Laube <b.bowie@LOTS-B>
Subject: more dat to consume
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Grading criteria:
PCCC:
Purity. Only pure lisp should be used. No SETQ's. no REplaca's, etc.
Clarity. Recursion should be as unmuddled as possible.
Correctness. Your functions should do what they are required to do.
Conciseness. Within bounds of Clarity and Correctness and Purity, you
should keep your functions concise.
That's it!
(as far as I know!)
-marq!
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∂08-Oct-85 1658 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee Meeting
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Robotics Search Committee Meeting
To: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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There will be a Robotics Search Committee Meeting on Monday, Oct. 14 at
5:00 in MJH 220. Please mark it on your calendars.
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∂08-Oct-85 1705 B.BOWIE@LOTS-B even furthere data...
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What you should turn in:
A commented listing of your functions.
AND
A few sample runs of each function in a photo.log.
I think that is all I am going to send you!!
-marq
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∂08-Oct-85 1939 yg%ciprnet.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Colloquium
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Subject: Colloquium
Thank you for the letter. Tuesday, December 3, is fine. Please send me the
title and an abstract. Please tell me when you will arrive and how long will
you be able to stay here. We are looking forward to see you here.
-- Yuri Gurevich --
∂08-Oct-85 2135 ME Prancing Pony Bill
Prancing Pony bill of JMC John McCarthy 8 October 1985
Previous Balance 6.86
Monthly Interest at 1.5% 0.10
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TOTAL AMOUNT DUE 6.96
Please deliver payments to Rutie Adler, room 358, Jacks Hall.
Make checks payable to: STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
To ensure proper crediting, please include your Pony account name on your check.
Bills are payable upon presentation. Interest of 1.5% per month will be
charged on balances remaining unpaid 25 days after bill date above.
You haven't paid your Pony bill since 5/85.
Accounts with balances remaining unpaid for more than 55 days are
considered delinquent and are subject to reduction of credit limit.
Please pay your bill and keep your account current.
∂09-Oct-85 0845 SMC mail
Would you please bring any mail for me in when you come? It will save me a trip.
Also I need to leave and come back this afternoon around 2:30.
∂09-Oct-85 0918 SMC phone message
Please call Vaughn Abbott of AIAA at (408) 756-2235. re: possibly speaking at
AIAA.
∂09-Oct-85 1338 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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To: jmc@su-ai
John, a while ago you mentioned I could have an extra $5000 for
the knowledge conference. Would it be all right if I contacted
Claudia Mazetti now for the money? -- Joe
∂09-Oct-85 1400 JMC
Pony bill
∂09-Oct-85 1542 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]
To: jparker@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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Julie, Here is an alternative version to the letter I had sent you
earlier. (It is a bit shorter, as you advised. Would be interested
in your comments regarding this one's suitability in light of
various university requirements, etc. ) Thanks, -Nils
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From: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: my draft
To: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Dear -
The Stanford University Computer Science Department is considering
recommending Michael Genesereth for promotion to tenure. In order that
the Department can make its recommendation in time for it to be considered
by the relevant University authorities, we need replies by the beginning
of December to our outside inquiries.
Stanford University makes tenure appointments only to the
most outstanding scholars available. University policies require
comparison with the best scholars in the world in the candidates
field. The following list includes both people suggested by the
candidate and members of the Department, but if you think we have
omitted some people with whom the candidate should be compared,
please mention them. In particular, Stanford welcomes mention of
possible women and minority candidates.
We keep these letters confidential, but you may wish to refer
to comparees by the numbers attached to their names.
Enclosed are a biography and bibliography of the candidate
and copies of three of his papers.
Besides comparisons with the work of other people, discussion
of the place of Genesereth's papers and other work in recent AI
research would be important.
In addition to his research work, Stanford takes into account
teaching and supervision of graduate students.
We welcome any information you can supply on this.
Sincerely,
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∂09-Oct-85 1621 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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To: JMC@SU-AI
It's a deal (although almost all of it will be used to help pay
transportation costs, so the results should be pretty clear).
-- Joe
∂09-Oct-85 2206 SHORTLIFFE@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Cog Science Society Proposal
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From: Ted Shortliffe <Shortliffe@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Cog Science Society Proposal
To: AAAI-OFFICE@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
cc: LErman@SRI-KL.ARPA, ai.woody@MCC.ARPA, Fikes@USC-ECL.ARPA,
Brachman@SRI-KL.ARPA, Davis%MIT-OZ@MIT-XX.ARPA, Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Engelmore@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA,
Rich@MIT-MC.ARPA, Stan@SRI-AI.ARPA, Stefik.PA@XEROX.ARPA, PHW@MIT-MC.ARPA,
hart@SRI-AI.ARPA, brown.pa@XEROX.ARPA
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Claudia,
I'm not sure it is realistic to assume we could extricate ourselves
from this relationship after a year if things did not work out. Such
commitments have a way of becoming engraved in stone as soon as they
have commenced. I'm particularly concerned about the extra staff you
mention being required during the heavy months around the AAAI meeting.
Ultimately, however, a 700 member increment to a 10,000 member society's
administrative effort sounds as though it should be minimal. If we
believe there is a reasonable chance of good science (as well as good
will) resulting from this relationship, it may indeed be reasonable to
go ahead -- even if we end up subsidizing the process a bit during the
startup year. However, I don't think we should asssume it is realistic
to expect that we would back out after a year if things don't work out
to our liking. The trial period notion seems impractical -- and it would
be tough on the Cog Sci folks for us to string them along for 12 months
and then tell them they have to restart their own administrative functions.
Elections and ballots are generally handled by the same office
that handles administrative/membership functions. If we take this on,
I see no reason not to help them with this function as well -- afterall,
their secretary is no doubt a volunteer who changes from year to year and
may be poorly equipped to efficiently handle an election.
Ted
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∂10-Oct-85 0930 TW PhD committee meeting Tuesday at 2:15
To: phdcom@SU-AI.ARPA
This is to confirm the previously announced time. The meeting will be
in 252. I am tentatively scheduling the public meeting on PhD requirements
for the same time the following week (October 22). We will confirm
this at our meeting. The agenda for the committee meeting is:
1. Discuss and agree on a general course of action for the committee this year.
2. Get the committee members' opinions on the PhD program and possible changes
(not debate them, just try to get as broad a view as we can of the possibilities)
3. Agree on the general content of a message to go out to all faculty and
PhD students requesting their comments, and on a general format for the
public meeting.
I don't expect this to take more than an hour. --t
∂10-Oct-85 1037 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Last meeting and next meeting
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Last meeting and next meeting
To: csdfacilities@su-pescadero.arpa
We met on Oct. 9th with all but Len Bosack in attendance (out of town)
In general, we discussed several projects, namely:
1. Hiring a software entrepreneur/manager - Tom Binford agreed to generate
the job description.
2. Develop a draft of the equipment part of the 5-year plan the dept. is
undertaking.
3. Explore the activities of ACIS (Bob Street's operation) and determine
whether it is serving CSD, and how it might better serve CSD.
4. Understand better the activities of CSD-CF and develop some goals for
a computer facilities support organization within CSD.
5. Consider the next generation of workstations - this was expanded to
considering other forms of computing as well, mainframes, etc.
(Perhaps subsumed by 2.?)
6. Develop a better awareness of what is going on WRT facilities on other
campuses, like MIT, CMU, East Arkansas State.
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Main topic of discussion was CSD-CF. We decided to have the next meeting on
Oct. 23rd at 4:00 pm in Chairman's conference room with Len Bosack and
Nils Nilsson present to discuss the role of CSD-CF in the dept.
(In this vein, it was proposed that CSD-CF send a representative to future
meetings when Len is unable to attend.)
Everyone agreed to do some "homework" and brainstorming on what goals
the dept. should have both in general, and for a support organization.
We also discussed ACIS and whether it was going to serve us at all.
We agreed to meet (tentatively) Nov. 6th (Wed.) at 4:00 pm with
Bob Street and/or Bill Yundt present to discuss ACIS activities.
Bruce Hitson will attempt to get information about their activities in
advance.
I will contact Bob Street about the meeting and confirm.
Steve Tjiang and Joel Bion agreed to survey students on their views on
equipment requirements for the future.
Finally, I would ask everyone to reserve Oct. 23rd, Nov. 6th and Nov. 20th
at 4:00 pm (Weds. two weeks apart) for facilities meetings for this quarter.
Hopefully, we can meet less frequently next quarter.
Did I forget or corrupt anything?
∂10-Oct-85 1056 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting with Nils
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Meeting with Nils
To: jmc@su-ai
You suggested that you and I meet with Nils sometime soon.
Could we try for Friday afternoon, say 4:00 pm, just before the TGIF.
I am free earlier in the afternoon as well, after 2:30 pm.
∂10-Oct-85 1115 berglund@su-pescadero.arpa My mailing address
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Subject: My mailing address
To: tw@sail
Cc: phdcom@sail
For the purpose of mailings about the PhD committee, could you change my
address to berglund@pescadero?
Thanks,
--Eric
∂10-Oct-85 1411 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA NEXT MONDAY'S PLANLUNCH
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Subject: NEXT MONDAY'S PLANLUNCH
To: planlunch.dis: ;
PLANLUNCH is returning to its usual Monday time next week. We will
be skipping the week thereafter (Oct. 21), resuming on Oct. 28.
The following is the tentative future schedule:
Oct. 14 Michael Genesereth
Oct. 21 -- break --
Oct. 28 Pat Hayes
Nov. 4 David Israel
Nov. 11 Moshe Vardi
Nov. 18 Lennie Wesley
Nov. 25 Haim Gaifman
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PRESCRIPTIVE INTROSPECTION
Michael R. Genesereth
Logic Group, Knowledge Systems Laboratory
Stanford University
11:00 AM, MONDAY, October 14
SRI International, Building E, Room EJ228 (new conference room)
Introspection is a significant part of human mental activity.
We introspect whenever we think about how to solve problem,
whenever we decide what information we need to solve a problem,
whenever we decide that a problem is unsolvable.
By its nature, the process of introspection involves the manipulation
of knowledge about knowledge. Over the past years, logicians and AI
researchers have devoted considerable attention to self-descriptive
sentences (involving autoepistemic terms like KNOW). By comparison,
little attention has been paid to self-prescriptive sentences
(involving terms like OUGHT).
This talk introduces a semantics for prescriptive metaknowledge in
the form of constraints on the process of problem solving. It
demonstrates the computational advantages of introspection and
analyzes the computational fidelity and cost of various introspective
architectures. It also discusses the potential for practical
application in logic programming and building expert systems.
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∂10-Oct-85 1451 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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MM on TOPS-20 has the ability to read the BBoard as effectively as
NS. It has all the date/time and text/subject/author searching you could
ask for. It even remembers the date/time of the more recent message on
BBoard that you read and refrains from notifying you of earlier messages.
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∂10-Oct-85 1558 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Julie M. Parker <JPARKER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Re: [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]]
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Subject: [Julie M. Parker <JPARKER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Re: [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]]
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Nils has asked that I forward Julie Parker's comments about your draft
promotion letter to you. He also asked that I let you know that he is
concerned about the picky details (as he would like to avoid problems
later) and would like it if you could work in the comments.
Thanks, Anne
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From: Julie M. Parker <JPARKER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: Re: [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>: my draft ]
To: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: jparker@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>" of Wed 9 Oct 85 15:50:11-PDT
There are a number of inappropriate paragraphs in this letter. Please
feel free to forward this letter to Prof. McCarty.
First of all, we never ask referees for RECOMMENDATIONS. They are asked
for an EVALUATION of the candidate. A recommendation implies that we
want a positive response from the referee, which could bias their opinion.
A quote from one of the better letters we have received
in the past states, "We are asking then, not for a recommendation of
the candidate, but an assessment of the stature, general reputation and
quality of ---'s work."
The second point is that specific questions should be addressed for
each person compared. These questions should be spelled out as was done
in your initial letter. Such specific questions should deal with:
"In developing your assessment, the following questions may provide
a useful framework:
1) How well do you know ----?
2) What is your opinion of his past and current research?
3) what basis is there for expecting him to make significant
contributions to his field in the future?
4) what is his potential for future development and continued
professional growth?
5) can you cite any specific contributions which have helped to
establish his reputation?
6) how would you assess his ability as a teacher?
7) how does ---- rank in comparison with his academic peers?
(this seems to be a very important question. They are looking for
the specific rank of this candidate against his peers. In other
words we only want the best and this should be specifically stated.)
It might also be helpful to state the philosophy of the dept, and what
you are looking for in a tenured faculty.
Let me know if I can be of further help. It might be useful if I
can see the final version. I apologize for sounding picky, but if
the letter goes out in a more appropriate form, we will avoid problems
later. As you know, the last thing we want to do is to come across
as if we have already made up our minds that we want to give this
individual tenure.
Julie
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∂10-Oct-85 1905 SJG reply to ignored message
"Counterfactuals are a form of commonsense non-monotonic inference ...".
I don't see that counterfactuals are a form of inference at all, since
one doesn't infer the conclusion of the counterfactual. In the next
paragraph you say, "A counterfactual is a statement such that ... ",
and I agree with that. As to "non-monotonic", I'm doubtful, but perhaps
I'll see the relation later on. I looked for the reference to my
cartesian counterfactuals, but all I've found so far is the mention
of approximate theories. Is that all there is?
***
Let's see:
(1) One does infer the conclusion of the counterfactual, within the possible
world(s) to which the premise refers.
(2) The inference in (1) is non-monotonic.
(3) Yes, I left out Cartesian counterfactuals, except for a pointer that
will get the reader to them. I really have nothing good to say about them,
I fear, since I think they totally sidestep the interesting aspects of
counterfactual implication.
I will await your longer message (or perhaps Monday's lunch), and look forward
(albeit with trepidation!) to your comments.
Matt
∂11-Oct-85 0057 NORMAN@SRI-AI.ARPA Files archived from directory <PS:<COMMONSENSE>>
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To: COMMONSENSE
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∂11-Oct-85 0915 WILKINS@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: David C. Wilkins <WILKINS@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Thu 10 Oct 85 11:49:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12150290178.46.WILKINS@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
John
Could you tell me where I can find more info about Don Wood's
BBGUN adn BBSKIM macros? Thanks,
David
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∂11-Oct-85 1016 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting with Nils today
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Meeting with Nils today
To: jmc@su-ai, les@su-ai
Apparently Nils is free only at 2:30 pm. today. Let's all meet at his office
at that time.
∂11-Oct-85 1030 PETTY@RED.RUTGERS.EDU technical reports mailing
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[ ] LCSR-TR-73 "QUADRATIC FUNCTIONS WITH EXPONENTIAL NUMBER OF LOCAL
MAXIMA", B. Kalantari.
[ ] LCSR-TR-74 "A GOOD HEURISTIC FOR THE CHINESE POSTMAN PROBLEM", M.D.
Grigoriadis and B. Kalantari.
[ ] DCS-TR-147 (REVISED) "AN ALGORITHM FOR LARGE-SCALE GLOBAL MINIMIZATION
OF LINEARLY CONSTRAINED CONCAVE QUADRATIC FUNCTIONS",
B. Kalantari and J.B. Rosen.
[ ] DCS-TR-154 "PROVING RELATIVE LOWER BOUNDS FOR INCREMENTAL ALGORITHMS",
A.M. Berman, M.C. Paull and B.G. Ryder.
[ ] DCS-TR-158 "INCREMENTAL ALGORITHMS FOR SOFTWARE SYSTEMS", B.G. Ryder.
[ ] DCS-TR-159 "APPLICABILITY OF INCREMENTAL ITERATIVE ALGORITHMS,
T. Marlowe, M.C. Paull and B.G. Ryder.
[ ] ML-TR-1 "PURPOSE-DIRECTED ANALOGY", S. Kedar-Cabelli.
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∂11-Oct-85 1031 SJG 1985 DAI workshop
To: "@DAI.DIS[1,SJG]"@SU-AI.ARPA
Just a note to remind you that the deadline for abstracts/money is
November 1. Checks should be made payable to the 1985 DAI workshop.
Thanks. We look forward to seeing you all in December.
Mike Genesereth
Matt Ginsberg
∂11-Oct-85 1048 SJG lunch on Monday
Dear John:
I'd like to be able to get to Perry's 1.15 class on Monday, so I guess
we should eat (promptly) at the Faculty Club. I can make a reservation
(albeit in Mike's name), if you'd like. If I don't hear from you, I'll
just assume it's all taken care of.
See you Monday --
Matt
∂11-Oct-85 1318 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU visiting student request
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 85 16:18:56 edt
From: elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU (Charles Elkan)
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To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: visiting student request
This message is addressed to you because of your presidential
address to the AAAI on the need for basic research into the logical
foundations of AI. I would like to spend the winter and spring
quarters of next year working in this area as a visiting graduate
student at Stanford.
I am now a second year PhD student here at Cornell. My
thesis topic will probably be in logic programming. Specifically I
want to investigate how to incorporate second-order properties such as
meta-level control of inference into first-order languages. The
concrete problem is how to allow "assert" and "cut" operators while
preserving properties such as soundness and some sort of completeness.
This research direction has connections with work in
logic and AI on default reasoning and circumscription, and my
principal aim at Stanford would be to learn about logic-based AI
research. This semester I am taking a course on automated theorem
proving from Richard Platek and one on constructive logic and type
theory from Bob Constable, so my background should be sufficient.
I hope it can be arranged for me to visit Stanford. Last June
I passed all my qualifying examinations in CS here, so I am free to
spend the winter and spring quarters away from Cornell. Financial
support should not be a problem since I have an unconditional
fellowship which is tenable at Stanford under the so-called "Exchange
Scholar Program".
Thank you for your time and trouble. Charles Elkan.
∂11-Oct-85 1719 lynch@umunhum Re: re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Bill Lynch <lynch@Umunhum>
Subject: Re: re: another information overload solution (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Message-Id: <85/10/11 1707.090@Umunhum>
In-Reply-To: John McCarthy's message of 10 Oct 85 1149 PDT
Thanks for a civil and logical message. Those have been in short
supply lately. I think you have hit on the essential point: different
people have different ideas as to what should appear on bboard.
Really, I am not opposed to free speech, or flaming. What got me
originally was the statement that because free speech is a good thing,
we must have it on bboard. Actually, the only thing that gets me is
that in order to survive academically as a EE or CS student here, you
essentially HAVE to read bboard to find out about seminars, talks, and
class information, which requires wading through (lately, about 200-250
messages a week) a lot of other stuff. This is particularily bad for
some who dial in to read bboard to see if there is a seminar they
should come in for that day.
Again, I sincerely thank you for perhaps the best message on the
subject (including mine).
Bill Lynch
∂11-Oct-85 1958 PURVES@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: campus life (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboards@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 11 Oct 85 16:09:00-PDT
"... the atmosphere of a suburban shopping mall is in many respects close
to optimal..." -- JMC
But shopping malls play muzak...
--Dave
:-)
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∂11-Oct-85 2252 SJG unfair to Cartesian counterfactuals?
Dear John:
Maybe I have been. Talk to you about it on Monday?
Matt
∂13-Oct-85 1247 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth Draft Letter
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Genesereth Draft Letter
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, jparker@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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Folks, Here is another draft of the Genesereth letter. (John, I
thought I would get us started thinking about names. I'll want
to talk to you about these, and we'll want to include the ones
Mike has given us. Ed Feigenbaum agreed to serve on the committee
also. I'll keep him informed of progress and solicit names from
him too.) If this letter is ok, let's try to send it out this
week. -Nils
Dear -
The Stanford Computer Science Department is considering the promotion of
Michael Genesereth to the rank of Associate Professor (with tenure). We
seek your evaluation of whether or not Michael's work and potential is
sufficiently outstanding that his promotion to tenure at Stanford is
justified. In order that the Department can make its decision in time
for review by the relevant University authorities, we ask for your reply
by the beginning of December.
Stanford University gives tenure appointments only to outstanding
scholars. University policies require explicit comparison with the best
scholars in the world in the candidate's field who are at approximately
the same stage in their careers or perhaps somewhat senior. The
enclosed list includes people suggested by the candidate and by members
of the Department, but if you think we have omitted some people with
whom the candidate should be compared, please mention them also. In
particular, Stanford invites mention of women and minority candidates.
We keep these letters confidential, but you may wish to refer to
comparees by the numbers attached to their names.
To help you develop your assessment, here are some specific questions we
hope you can answer: How well do you know the candidate? What is your
opinion of his research and of his potential to make significant future
contributions? Can you cite some of his specific achievements and their
overall importance in AI? How good a teacher and dissertation adviser
is he? All things considered, where would you rank him among his
academic peers? We would like a balanced evaluation including comments
on any weak points as well as strong points.
Enclosed are a biography and bibliography of the candidate and copies of
some of his papers.
Promotion to tenure is one of the most important decisions a university
makes, and we are extremely grateful for your help.
Sincerely,
John McCarthy
encl: Genesereth cv, List of comparison names, copies of papers
Comparison Names
[[We should pick 6-12 of these and/or others]]
Doug Lenat
James Allen
Tom Mitchell
Jaime Carbonell
Bob Wilensky
Stan Rosenschein
Bob Moore
Candy Sidner
Jon Doyle
Peter Raulefs
Mark Stefik
Johann deKleer
Ehud Shapiro
Fernando Pereira
Randy Davis
Ken Forbus
William Clancey
Hector Levesque
Ron Brachman
Elaine Rich
David Barstow
Letters to be sent to:
[[A preliminary list]]
Gerry Sussman
Peter Hart
Ray Reiter
Allen Newell
Patrick Winston
Alan Bundy
Richard Duda
Woody Bledsoe
Raj Reddy
Pat Hayes
Daniel Bobrow
Aravind Joshi
Drew McDermott
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∂13-Oct-85 1253 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Genesereth Draft Letter
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: re: Genesereth Draft Letter
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 13 Oct 85 12:50:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12150853548.10.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Mike said he was delaying his trip by a week and that he would get us
the list of names "soon." I don't have it yet. We can both keep
reminding him. (On a list of 100 candidates compared for their ability
to predict accurately what they think they can accomplish in a given time,
I would rank Mike about 83rd.) -Nils
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∂13-Oct-85 1301 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Proposed Course
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Proposed Course
To: Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, TW@SU-AI.ARPA,
JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, Rosenbloom@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, Shortliffe@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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Peter Cheeseman (ex of SRI, now at NASA AMES) has proposed the following
course for Spring Quarter. Before I send it along to the curric committee
for their comments and possible approval, do any of you have any
comments? Since it has a heavy probability theory/decision analysis
component, I suggested to him that he may also want to explore joint
sponsorship by the EES department. -Nils
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Date: Fri 11 Oct 85 23:59:13-PDT
From: CHEESEMAN@SRI-AI.ARPA
Subject: Uncertain Inference Course
To: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Hi Nils,
Here is the course outline I promised you, assuming I have mastered
the message system....(it is a Latex file)
Peter
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Peter Cheeseman \\
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NASA Ames Research Center \\
Information Science Office \\
Mail Stop 244-7 \\
Moffett Field, CA 94035
\end{center}
\section{Proposed Course Outline}
\begin{center}
{\Large Uncertain Inference in Artificial Intelligence}
\end{center}
This outline is arranged in topic areas assuming a 9 week program for the
quarter.
Week 1---Introduction and Derivation of Probability Theory.
\begin{itemize}
\item Why Uncertain Inference? When does it occur?
\item Uncertain Inference and Logic
\item Probability as a generalization of Logic (i.e. prob. as a measure of
belief).
\item Derivation of probability theory (basic theorems etc.) from fundamental
axioms.
\end{itemize}
Week 2---Probability Theory Development.
\begin{itemize}
\item Alternative Uncertainty Formalisms (from 1st. principles), e.g. Fuzzy
sets, Fuzzy logic, unconditional probabilities, infinite-valued logics,
probabilistic logic, strict truth compositionality, etc.
\item Comparison of alternative formalisms---logical consequences of
differences in the basic axioms.
\item Bayes Theorem and its consequences (probabilistic equivalent to modus
ponens, need for prior probabilities, Bayes methods as update procedure,
etc.)
\item Prior Probability estimation.\\
Discrete case (e.g. Binomial distribution, Beta distribution)\\
Continuous case (Jeffery's Prior, Uniform prior, Group Transformation
methods).
\item Second order probabilities (when do they arise, how are they
represented, when are they useful)
\end{itemize}
Week 3---Maximum Entropy
\begin{itemize}
\item Fundamental Incompleteness in Uncertain Inference (need for additional
principle)
\item Special cases (independence, conditional independence, generalized
independence)
\item Derivation of Maximum entropy formulas--Lagrange multiplier
methods, computationally efficient versions.
\item Applications of maximum entropy---e.g. image reconstruction,
spectral anlysis, generalized incomplete inversion.
\end{itemize}
Week 4---Decision Making Under Uncertainty
\begin{itemize}
\item Utility theory and decision making (introduction to decision trees)
\item Influence diagrams---relation to expert systems, basic properties
\item Risk theory, risk aversion.
\item Sensitivity analysis and second order probabilities.
\item Introduction to Game Theory---Games against nature,
probabilistic games, payoff-matrices, prisoners dilema.
\end{itemize}
Note, It may be possible to persude R. Howard to present this section.
Week 5---Information Theory
\begin{itemize}
\item Definition, basic formulas, basic ideas of communication, redundancy,
surprise etc.
\item Hoffman encoding and other minimum encoding techniques.
\item AI applications of information theory (data compression, induction,
prediction, etc.)
\item Relation of Info. theory to Max. Entropy, statistics etc.
\end{itemize}
Week 6---Inductive Inference Under Uncertainty
\begin{itemize}
\item Basic Bayesian induction of models from prior hypothesis space and
data.
\item Equivalent Information theory derivation.
\item Simple Applications of Bayesian inductive methods---cluster
analysis, curve fitting, ``theory" discovery.
\end{itemize}
Week 7---Inductive Inference Under Uncertainty (cont.)
\begin{itemize}
\item Advanced Bayesian Inductive Methods (AI examples)
\item Image reconstruction
\item Learning of Probabilistic Grammars
\item Region segmentation in images
\item Relationship of probabilistic learning to deterministic learning.
\end{itemize}
Week 8---Probabilistic Models
\begin{itemize}
\item Markovian Models
\item Random walks
\item Fractals
\item Common Sense probabilistic reasoning
\item Other models (depending on time and interest)
\end{itemize}
Week 9---Comparison of Alternative Uncertainty Methods
\begin{itemize}
\item Fuzzy sets and fuzzy logic
\item Dempster Shafer methods
\item Non-monotonic logic (and other simialar logics)
\item Endorsements
\item Comparison of alternative methods in simple expert system application.
\end{itemize}
Note that the above course outline will draw its examples from current AI
literature, and is NOT just a ``Stats. for AIers'' course. A lot of the
material (especially the induction under uncertainty stuff) is very much
research in progress. The aim of the course is to leave the student with an
overview of the currently used methods of uncertain inference in AI, as well
as a detailed understanding of the probabilistic approach. Also, the
student should understand what methods are appropriate in what
circumstances, and where to go in the literature to explore particular
approaches further.
Peter Cheeseman (11th. Oct. 1985)
\end{document}
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∂13-Oct-85 1308 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Pony billing for coffee pool
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From: Joan Feigenbaum <JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Pony billing for coffee pool
To: coffee-drinkers: ;
Several people have suggested that coffee pool money be collected through the
pony billing system. For regular drinkers (that is, approximately, those of
you who are now reading this message), the change would mean that instead of
getting a monthly human-generated reminder to pay me whatever you feel like,
you'd get a monthly computer-generated reminder to pay me (or perhaps to pay
``the pony'') the amount that you sign up for when the pony system goes into
effect. For occasional drinkers, it would be possible to charge a single cup
at a time using the pony terminal.
I'd like to hear from anyone who has an opinion on this. It's really all
the same to me.
Thanks,
Joan
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∂13-Oct-85 1818 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA MONDAY PLANLUNCH -- REMINDER!
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PRESCRIPTIVE INTROSPECTION
Michael R. Genesereth
Logic Group, Knowledge Systems Laboratory
Stanford University
11:00 AM, MONDAY, October 14
SRI International, Building E, Room EJ228 (new conference room)
Introspection is a significant part of human mental activity.
We introspect whenever we think about how to solve problem,
whenever we decide what information we need to solve a problem,
whenever we decide that a problem is unsolvable.
By its nature, the process of introspection involves the manipulation
of knowledge about knowledge. Over the past years, logicians and AI
researchers have devoted considerable attention to self-descriptive
sentences (involving autoepistemic terms like KNOW). By comparison,
little attention has been paid to self-prescriptive sentences
(involving terms like OUGHT).
This talk introduces a semantics for prescriptive metaknowledge in
the form of constraints on the process of problem solving. It
demonstrates the computational advantages of introspection and
analyzes the computational fidelity and cost of various introspective
architectures. It also discusses the potential for practical
application in logic programming and building expert systems.
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∂13-Oct-85 1853 CLT Eleanor message
Yes, she did.
Will you want to go?
It will be she and John and John's brother Paul from Lewiston (Idaho).
I suggested arriving 6ish, but that could be changed.
∂13-Oct-85 2145 SHORTLIFFE@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Proposed Course
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From: Ted Shortliffe <Shortliffe@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Proposed Course
To: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, TW@SU-AI.ARPA,
JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, Rosenbloom@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
TOB@SU-AI.ARPA
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Office: Room TC-135, Stanford Med Center; Phone: (415) 497-6979
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Nils,
This is a topic of great interest to our students (and to me).
Would be delighted to have a course on the subject available. My only
concern is that there is has been considerable controversy about the
topic in recent months, and Cheeseman is generally regarded (along with
Judea Pearl) as the extreme spokesman for the Bayesian viewpoint. That
isn't a problem in and of itself, except that most of his arguments are
based on theory rather than personal experience with knowledge engineering
and building expert systems that must reason with uncertainty in real
world domains. Since many of the issues accounting for the emergence of
alternate approaches are largely motivated by pragmatics (rather than
a disagreement with the theoretical viewpoint), I have been bothered
by what I consider to be a lack of balance in the writing of Cheeseman
and Pearl. Would hope that he would seek to provide a more balanced
view if he gives a course in this area. In other respects the course
outline looks valuable and appropriate. I's say we should give it a go
if he is willing to do this.
Ted
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∂14-Oct-85 0854 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Robotics Search Committee
To: cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA,
JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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This is to reconfirm that there will be a Robotics Search Committee meeting
today (Oct.14) at 5:00 in MJH 220.
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waltuch
∂14-Oct-85 1003 ullman@su-aimvax.arpa Parallel Computing Center
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From: Jeff Ullman <ullman@diablo>
Subject: Parallel Computing Center
To: cheriton@pescadero, feigenbaum@sumex, golub@score, jef@sail, jlh@shasta,
jmc@sail, lantz@pescadero, linton@sierra, mayr@diablo, nilsson@score,
oliger@navajo, owicki@sierra, papa@diablo, pratt@navajo, tob@sail,
wiederhold@sumex, zm@sail
We're making some major progress toward a center for
parallel software, and I think the time has come for
all those who want to participate to prepare a detailed
proposal.
First, last Thursday a panel was held at NSF concerning
Sid Fernbach's proposal for a "supercomputer software center."
His vision of a 200-person institute was supported by no one
but Sid. Rather, the panel quickly converged on a pattern
very close to the one we've been pushing: centers at
existing institutions, managing several different parallel
machines, with 10-30 scientists at
each, for a total cost of 4-5M/year.
Whether NSF will begin funding these centers soon is unclear,
but it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happened.
Also last week, Frank Kuo finally got a formal reply to the
white paper we sent to SDIO. They invite us to submit a
more detailed proposal, but informally, we have been told
that there is no way they are going to put up all 5M/year
we budgeted. The deadline for this proposal is Oct. 31, by
the way.
Since we cannot count on SDIO to provide all the funds, Frank
and I beat the bushes on Friday looking to put together a
group of agencies that together can provide funds on the
scale we need. There is a possibility of DARPA support,
and I believe NSF will consider us as a special initiative,
like CSNET, independent of the policy change needed for
them to support several centers like ours. We also have
some chances of attracting DOE support, through Livermore.
The bottom line is that the idea is very timely and I think
we should take a shot at it by submitting proposals to
SDIO, DARPA, and NSF, each with a view of the total picture,
and each proposing specific research as well as asking for
a share of support for the infrastructure.
We need to sort ourselves out according to what
research we shall propose, and to whom. Obviously, it is
not enough to propose doing what we are already doing--rather
we need proposals to do new things, ranging from moving
old ideas to a new environment, to implementing things that
could never be done without the existence of the parallel machines.
Fortunately, since it will take time to get the center established
and its hardware usable, I think we can propose things for
relatively far in the future. No software development can
begin for another year, unless you have the desire and capability
to begin on existing hardware.
Another thing we need to discuss is what hardware to propose buying,
although probably we'll use placeholders that express the kind of
thing we would like without committing to a particular manufacturer
who may be out of business next year anyway.
We may also want to discuss the basic infrastructure assumptions
which are as follows. We purchase and maintain three machines,
each costing about .5M, and house them at SRI. The machines
are managed by a staff of about 15 people, including a good number
of systems programmers whose function it would be to make
relatively standard facilities available on these machines.
(It would be up to us to make "researchy" things available.)
This will cost about 3M/year, for which we get only the
hardware and the kind of staff support we're not used to in
an academic setting.
Each person's research proposal is on top of this. We can each
propose what we like and negotiate later with whatever source
we choose. We can assume in our proposals that the center and
its services are available at no additional cost, however, which
should make a big difference in individual budgets.
Possibly, some will want to have the option of using the
center, yet do not want to propose additional research now.
There is some precident for this, e.g., the DARPA contract to
buy equipment to support ongoing research that we finally got
in 1983. I think it will be more pursuasive if the
funders see some new directions emerging as a result of creating
the center. However, even existing research forms part of the
overall picture that could make the creation of the center
here, rather than elsewhere, attractive, so I'd like to hear
from people who want to take this road.
Anyway... it's time for each of us to decide on a strategy:
to write a proposal to one of the potential sponsors,
participate only by hinting you would use the facility
if it were created, or
to skip it. I'm willing to act as coordinator unless someone
else wants to take that job.
---Jeff Ullman
∂14-Oct-85 1029 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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Subject: message
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12151084317.24.CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Mark Harrington phoned. Please call. 7-9633.
Tina
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∂14-Oct-85 1033 BERG@SU-SCORE.ARPA office hours for TA's
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Subject: office hours for TA's
To: w.welsh%LOTS-B@SU-SCORE.ARPA, herman@SU-SCORE.ARPA, reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
floyd@SU-SCORE.ARPA, reid@SU-GLACIER.ARPA, dahlquist@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
cheriton@SU-SCORE.ARPA, lantz@SU-SCORE.ARPA, broder@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
ullman@SU-AIMVAX.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, oliger@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
anderson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: berg@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Stanford-Phone: (415) 497-4776
Message-ID: <12151086714.13.BERG@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
There are still some hours free in 004 and 006 for your TAs to
use for office hours. Please tell them to come to my office
(256 MJH) if they wish to use either of those offices for student
conferences for an hour or two a week.
Kathy
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∂14-Oct-85 1105 RA Yuri Gurevich
Yuri called to make sure that you indeed can make Dec. 3rd. He also
wanted to know how long you intend to stay. I can call him and let
him know, or if you want to talk to him, his office no. is (313) 763 4526, and
his home no. is (313) 971 2652; please let me know.
∂14-Oct-85 1126 RA Re: Yuri Gurevich
[Reply to message recvd: 14 Oct 85 11:07 Pacific Time]
Gurevich also wanted to know how long you are going to stay.
Thanks.
∂14-Oct-85 1143 RA Thursday trips
You are booked on Western 134 SJ-LA 7:29 arr. 8:30. LA-SJ depart 11:00
arr. SJ 12:02.
SJ-Austin, American West flight 166 depart 4:50 arrive 11:15. On the
way back from Austin,Oct. 19, Sat, you can come back with American Airlines depart
4:52 (change in Dallas) arr. SJ 8:08pm, or United depart 6:15 (change
in Denver) arr. 9:37. The difference bet. the two (besides the time
difference) is the price, $504 with American and $268 with United. Which
one would you like? Please let me know; they are waiting for my answer.
Thanks.
∂14-Oct-85 1345 RA doctor's appointment
I have a 2:15 appointment; will be back around 3:15
∂14-Oct-85 1351 RA Robotics Search Committee
A reminder: Robotics Search Committee Meeting today at 5:00, MJH 220.
∂14-Oct-85 1526 SJG the woman
To: whitney@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Hey guys,
Did you see her? If it took you more than about 30 seconds to get started,
I think she would have walked right in front of your car, wearing a
multicolored skirt, brown shoes and a brown sweater.
Matt
∂14-Oct-85 1551 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Meeting tomorrow--room change
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From: Victoria Cheadle <CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Meeting tomorrow--room change
To: phdcom@SU-AI.ARPA
Office: Margaret Jacks 258, 497-1519
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The first meeting of the PhD Committee will be held (as previously
announced) tomorrow at 2:15 pm. Instead of meeting in MJH 252,
however, we will meet in MJH 352.
Victoria
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∂14-Oct-85 1607 RA MAD
Sandra Cook from MAD called; please call her (408) 943 1711.
∂14-Oct-85 1718 vardi@su-aimvax.arpa bboard message
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From: Moshe Vardi <vardi@diablo>
Subject: bboard message
To: jmc@sail
From GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA Mon Oct 14 12:33:17 1985
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Date: Mon 14 Oct 85 12:36:45-PDT
From: Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: Terrorists (cont'd)
To: su-bboards@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
RPG raised a question about citizen's arrest and LAW. I am aware of the
provision for citizen's arrest and it is in most countries and not just
USA. For the LAW to apply the person (s) must be apprehended first. True,but
that does not justify using terrorism to apprehend them. Also surely you are
not telling me that those four TOMCATS constitutes a group of American
citizens. I will also give credit to the Egyptian pilot because he chose not
to refuse to comply with the TOMCATS. For otherwise the plane would have been
shot and the situation would be just like the SOVIETS shooting at the KAL
flight.
My point in sending the previous message is not just to criticize the American
policy. I sincerely want to see an end to this unnecessary destruction. Blood
begets blood and it is a no win situation. I would like you to think of the
following. You consider yourself to be just, right. And you are angry because
a fellow American in a wheel chair has been killed by the terrorist A. It is
possible that when A was a child perhaps in Beirut that his entire family was
killed by a bomb MADE IN THE USA right in front of his own eyes. He was a
child then and quite unable to do anything just like the invalid AMERICAN.
What do you expect his hatred to be like. WHat would you have done if you
were him ? Think about it. You don't have to answer me. Just think it to
yourself.
-sumit
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∂14-Oct-85 1740 CLT
could you look at course[1,clt]? Is it too
pompous or vague or tooo much to put into one course?
I would like to mail it to Nils tonight or tomorrow morning.
∂14-Oct-85 1752 CLT
have you give sarah permission to charge on the american express?
there is a charge for an airline ticket for her on the current bill.
∂14-Oct-85 1828 JFINGER@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Terrorists (cont'd)
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From: Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: Terrorists (cont'd)
To: su-bboards@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
ReSent-Date: Mon 14 Oct 85 18:26:21-PDT
ReSent-From: Jeff Finger <JFINGER@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
ReSent-To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
RPG raised a question about citizen's arrest and LAW. I am aware of the
provision for citizen's arrest and it is in most countries and not just
USA. For the LAW to apply the person (s) must be apprehended first. True,but
that does not justify using terrorism to apprehend them. Also surely you are
not telling me that those four TOMCATS constitutes a group of American
citizens. I will also give credit to the Egyptian pilot because he chose not
to refuse to comply with the TOMCATS. For otherwise the plane would have been
shot and the situation would be just like the SOVIETS shooting at the KAL
flight.
My point in sending the previous message is not just to criticize the American
policy. I sincerely want to see an end to this unnecessary destruction. Blood
begets blood and it is a no win situation. I would like you to think of the
following. You consider yourself to be just, right. And you are angry because
a fellow American in a wheel chair has been killed by the terrorist A. It is
possible that when A was a child perhaps in Beirut that his entire family was
killed by a bomb MADE IN THE USA right in front of his own eyes. He was a
child then and quite unable to do anything just like the invalid AMERICAN.
What do you expect his hatred to be like. WHat would you have done if you
were him ? Think about it. You don't have to answer me. Just think it to
yourself.
-sumit
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∂14-Oct-85 2114 CHRIS@SU-CSLI.ARPA [Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Terrorists (cont'd)]
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From: Chris Menzel <CHRIS@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: [Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>: Terrorists (cont'd)]
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Here's the message Moshe was responding to.
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From: Sumit Ghosh <GHOSH@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: Terrorists (cont'd)
To: su-bboards@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
RPG raised a question about citizen's arrest and LAW. I am aware of the
provision for citizen's arrest and it is in most countries and not just
USA. For the LAW to apply the person (s) must be apprehended first. True,but
that does not justify using terrorism to apprehend them. Also surely you are
not telling me that those four TOMCATS constitutes a group of American
citizens. I will also give credit to the Egyptian pilot because he chose not
to refuse to comply with the TOMCATS. For otherwise the plane would have been
shot and the situation would be just like the SOVIETS shooting at the KAL
flight.
My point in sending the previous message is not just to criticize the American
policy. I sincerely want to see an end to this unnecessary destruction. Blood
begets blood and it is a no win situation. I would like you to think of the
following. You consider yourself to be just, right. And you are angry because
a fellow American in a wheel chair has been killed by the terrorist A. It is
possible that when A was a child perhaps in Beirut that his entire family was
killed by a bomb MADE IN THE USA right in front of his own eyes. He was a
child then and quite unable to do anything just like the invalid AMERICAN.
What do you expect his hatred to be like. WHat would you have done if you
were him ? Think about it. You don't have to answer me. Just think it to
yourself.
-sumit
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∂15-Oct-85 0000 JMC
Barney Oliver has my Melzak.
∂15-Oct-85 0832 WHITNEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: the woman
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From: Arthur Whitney <WHITNEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: the woman
To: SJG@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Matthew Ginsberg <SJG@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 14 Oct 85 15:26:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12151330891.53.WHITNEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
There was a blinding flash of light...
I didn't dare raise my eyes. What about you John?
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∂15-Oct-85 1010 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Stanford Video Journal - AI Volume
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Date: Tue 15 Oct 85 10:11:00-PDT
From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Stanford Video Journal - AI Volume
To: Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
cc: KSL-Project-Leaders@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA,
Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <12144318066.33.RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Message-ID: <12151348519.65.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Tom,
Related to the Stanford Video Journal, I'm reminded of an idea that
has come up before. I'm especially keen on having Siglunch taped,
particularly talks by our own people. Besides allowing us to see missed
talks, improve our presentations, and the obvious benefit for students, we'd
have another record of project accomplishments (saving could be selective).
For example, I gave a general talk on Neomycin 2 years ago that I wish I
could show to my group today, so we could critique changes in thinking since
then. My group routinely discusses siglunch immediately after each talk.
The availability of tapes might foster more small group discussions, e.g.,
the current learning seminar could draw on relevant talks of the past.
Ideally, a KSL administrative person would be responsible for
equipment and taping logistics. I'd be happy to be on (or lead) a committee
that proposes policy for what would be taped and what would be done with
the tapes. Quite possibly siglunch tapes could be edited or remade for
the Video Journal, should someone want to pursue that end of it. The same
argument could be made for taping the CS colloquium.
Bill
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∂15-Oct-85 1019 SJG tape siglunch?
To: rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, ksl-project-leaders@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA, clancey@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
I think I'm against this. The suggestion to restrict the announcement to
internal people seems a good one to me; it'll help return the atmosphere
to the informal one of days past. Videotaping them seems like a step in
the other direction.
Sigh. Maybe we really need two colloquia. In fact, I think I'll propose
that as soon as I'm not organizing them any more ...
Matt
∂15-Oct-85 1028 CLT car
yours should be ready at 5
i you bring the cad, please let me know where its
stashed before you go to class
∂15-Oct-85 1139 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: lunch
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From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: lunch
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 15 Oct 85 11:08:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12151364939.65.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Ah, finally, good idea. Monday is good for me. Shall I meet you at
your office in MJH? Or if you wanted to use this opportunity to wander
over to Welch Road and see what we're up to, there's a reasonable place
to eat in Nordstroms, just across the street.
Bill
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∂15-Oct-85 1211 CLT mtc course
Below is Stuart's reply to my inquiry about the status of your MTC course.
Regarding his concern about the overlap with 309B --
I conjecture that the main overlap between the MTC course as you would
teach it, or the course I proposed is in some of the words used to describe
the material. I don't believe Williams et.al. are interested in proving
properties of programs -- formally or informally.
I also don't believe that they treat intensional properties,
derived programs, or properties of continuations.
Do you agree or am I out of touch with what they are doing nowdays?
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∂15-Oct-85 1120 REGES@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: MTC course
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From: Stuart Reges <REGES@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: MTC course
To: CLT@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: berg@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Carolyn Talcott <CLT@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 15 Oct 85 10:21:00-PDT
Office: Margaret Jacks 210, 497-9798
Message-ID: <12151358995.9.REGES@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
We haven't yet made final arrangments for John's MTC course (now CS350). I
have asked Kathy Berg to contact you and John about this. I am a little
concerned that John's course seems to have significant overlap with the
industrial lectureship CS309B, "Functional Programming." Kathy will need to
know what time the course should be offered and whether or not it should be
taught on the TV network. John is supposed to teach 2 courses a year for the
department, so in a way he is supposed to teach CS350. But if you have a keen
interest in teaching it, you probably should. John would have to talk to Nils
about how to make up the extra course.
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∂15-Oct-85 1241 @MIT-MULTICS.ARPA:Bernard←Galler@UMich-MTS.Mailnet
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From: Bernard←Galler%UMich-MTS.Mailnet@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA,
Fawwaz←Ulaby@UMich-MTS.Mailnet
Message-ID: <950237@UMich-MTS.Mailnet>
John - I wonder if you would be able to help out our department on short
notice. We have set up two visiting teams of 5 people each, covering various
fields, to review our very large new department (last year we merged our
computer science, and electrical engineering & computer engineering depts).
Knowing you were very busy, we didn't ask you at first, although I did make an
abortive attempt to call you. But now whoever it was that had agreed to come
can't make it, and you are by far my own first choice. Would you be able and
willing to join the committee that will arrive the night of Oct 28 and
leave the afternoon of Oct 30? I presume there is some kind of honorarium,
but I can't say for sure. If you will consider it, I will have Prof. Fawwaz
Ulaby, of our dept, contact you with more information. I hope you can help us.
Bernie
∂15-Oct-85 1433 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA people
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From: Mike Genesereth <GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: people
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
John,
Here's the list of comparers. I hope I can add to this as my trip
progresses. If you need more names, please let me know.
mrg
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∂15-Oct-85 1434 GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA additional
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From: Mike Genesereth <GENESERETH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: additional
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Rick Hayes-Roth
Teknowledge
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∂15-Oct-85 1455 RPG History Question
Do you recall when Stanford had the first display editor? Was it Suppes'
group? When did SAIL get the DataDisc? How did DataDisc get the idea to
make such a display system?
I'm giving a historical talk on the influence of AI on what is considered
systems and hardware, so I'm talking about Lisp, timesharing, displays,
mice, and how they came about.
∂15-Oct-85 1513 RPG DARPA
I thought I had acknowledged DARPA in running text, and when
Les mentioned it I had to flip through it to see that he was
right and I was wrong. The last few weeks of producing the draft
were pretty hectic, and I guess I didn't acknowledge them.
So what's a few years in Leavenworth?
-rpg-
∂15-Oct-85 1520 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: lunch
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From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: lunch
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 15 Oct 85 11:41:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12151387369.65.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Fine. You can either have the secretary in the central building (C,
upstairs) buzz me on the com line, or seek me out in room 1126
(building A, closest to main campus, downstairs, street end of the hall).
See you then.
Bill
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∂15-Oct-85 1415 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: MTC course
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: MTC course
To: CLT@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Carolyn Talcott <CLT@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 15 Oct 85 11:54:00-PDT
Message-ID: <12151388838.23.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Whatever you and Stuart (and the curric committee) decide to do about
all of this is fine with me. Just be sure that Kathy Berg and Stuart
know about what is going to happen in sufficient time to get a room
scheduled, announcements out, etc. By the way, I remember John asking
me about not teaching the MTC course and teaching a VTS course instead.
Even though a VTS course is not a CSD course, it seemed to me that it's
a worthy cause. -Nils
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∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
Thomason at 11
∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
Thomason at 11.
∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
mcc badge
∂22-Oct-85 1533 JMC
buy bicycle
∂22-Oct-85 1549 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Meeting tomorrow at 4:00 pm.
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Meeting tomorrow at 4:00 pm.
To: csdfacilities@su-pescadero.arpa
The CSD facilities committee will meet again tomorrow (Oct. 23rd) at
4:00 pm in Chairman's conference room. Since the last meeting, there
has been a coup d'etat and Les is now the Chairman. I am sending this
message because his machine is incapacitated.
A major topic on the agenda will be CSD-CF, as we had planned.
David C.
∂22-Oct-85 1826 CLT
To: JMC, RA
JMC VTS course winter quarter meets 14:15-15:30 tuth
in rm 202 History corner (bldg 200)
∂22-Oct-85 1909 SCHULZ@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS:306 notes and test-taking conditios
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From: James R. Schulz <SCHULZ@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: CS:306 notes and test-taking conditios
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12153211869.49.SCHULZ@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Professor McCarthy,
Please see if you can make a copy of your CS:306 notes
in boldface with double spacing, or any combination of
the two. If you can, please make such a copy for me.
Also, I was suppossed to send you a message explaining
what I think you have agreed to with regard to special \
test-taking conditions for me. I believe that I will
be given additional time to complete the test and
that I will be allowed to take it outside of the normal
classroom at a location where I can operate more easily.
I will make the necessary arrangements through Bob Givan.
Let me know if this is also your understanding of our
agreement. Thank you.
---
Jim
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∂22-Oct-85 1915 JMC@S1-A.ARPA
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To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
signed letter for llw
∂22-Oct-85 1916 AI.JMC@MCC.ARPA next visit
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From: AI.JMC@MCC.ARPA
Subject: next visit
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: ai.boyer@MCC.ARPA
I'll plan to come for 3 days the week of Dec 16 to co-incide
with Huet.
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∂22-Oct-85 1921 LLW@S1-A.ARPA SDI Computability, Etc.
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From: Lowell Wood <LLW@S1-A.ARPA>
Subject: SDI Computability, Etc.
To: JMC@S1-A.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: LLW@S1-A.ARPA
∂21-Oct-85 0839 JMC sdi statement and visit
Terry Winograd and others are collecting signatures on a statement
denouncing SDI for the usual `computer sciece' reasons. I have
talked with a number of people, and I think we can get quite
a few signatures on a counter-statement accusing them of wishful
thinking in supposing that computer science considerations support
conclusions they have reached for political reasondxs. My own
opinion is more definitely positi abou SDI. Namely,
if the physics works out, and the quantitative partof the
computing works of, i.e. the number of flops, then the programming
can be done with adequate assurance.
[Delighted to hear of your feelings on this matter. I know that
a counter-statement would be *highly* useful. BTW, could I get a signed
copy of what you sent to the Congress-folk earlier in the summer?]
I would like to discuss these matters with you.
[I tried to reach you just now, without success. Please call at your
convenience.]
Also I would like to discuss the Broad book. It seems that in the
end he ended up where he began. Perhaps I'll review the book.
From what I saw in one review, he was unfair to Rod.
[Most of us over here think (to varying extents) that his first
couple of drafts were fairly reasonable, and that he thereafter went
political in order to peddle books. I'll be happy to discuss it with
you, and would keenly welcome your reviewing it.]
My badge expires at the end of October, so perhaps I should visit before then. I also have a few
things new to say about parallel Lisp that might be relevant to S1-B,
and I'd certainly like to know the state of that project.
[I told my secretary to make sure that your badge and consulting contract
were renewed by the current expiry date--please let me know if there's
any slip-up on this front. We're bogged down in Navy reviews this week,
but any time next week or thereafter presently looks good. Please
suggest a date, and I'll try to get everybody set up for it.]
Please replay on S1-A, because SAIL is down.
[OK. When is SAIL going to recover--Rod is suffering severe withdrawal
symptoms re NS, to which it have been revealed that he's addicted (even
after NYT dropped out).]
[Lowell]
∂22-Oct-85 1933 D.DEIRDRE@LOTS-C Class Directories
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Subject: Class Directories
To: "Fall Quarter Instructors": ;
cc: FL@LOTS-C
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There have been some changes in the computer hardware at LOTS which
necessitates a change in the way users refer to class directories.
Instead of being stored on the SS: structure, class directories are
now being stored on the CLASS: structure. This means that you should
refer to your class directory as CLASS:<CLASSES.CS10X>, where CS10X is
the name of your class, instead of SS:<CLASSES.CS10X>. Please be sure
that the members of your class are informed of this change.
If you have any questions or comments, please send mail to FL on any
LOTS system.
Deirdre Lieberson
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∂22-Oct-85 2113 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA people
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From: Michael Genesereth <GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: people
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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John,
I just talked with Woody, and it seems as though he would be a good
person to write to. Could you please add him to my list. Thanks.
mrg
I am typing this from an offce at MCC with you r name on the
door. What if causality is circular and nontransitive?
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∂23-Oct-85 0532 derek%nmsu.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Workshop on Foundations of AI
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Subject: Workshop on Foundations of AI
Some months ago you indicated to Yorick Wilks
that you might participate in the workshop
here. We are now planning in detail and thus
I would appreciate it if you could confirm
your intentions. I hope that you will be
participating and if so can you send me
something (I asked for just 500 words earlier)
for the workshop preprints; failing that can
you indicate what your interest will be.
Something on the lines of your presidential
address to the AAAI would be fine --
i.e. problems with research standards in AI.
I look forward to hearing from you soon,
best wishes,
Derek Partridge
∂23-Oct-85 0659 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU your sponsoring my stay at Stanford
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From: elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU (Charles Elkan)
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To: jmc@su-ai.arpa
Subject: your sponsoring my stay at Stanford
Thank you for accepting to sponsor me as a visiting student.
The opportunity to spend the winter and spring quarters of next year
at Stanford is a privilege I am very grateful for. I look forward
to meeting you in person next January.
There is one bureaucratic hurdle to leap before everything
is settled. The so-called "Exchange Scholar Program" under which
graduate students from Cornell usually visit Stanford is an agreement
between Graduate Schools of Arts and Sciences. The Stanford CS
department has recently moved to your School of Engineering. Dean
Alison Casarett of Cornell has told me that she will contact Associate
Dean Karlene Dickey of Stanford to try to iron out this problem. I
hope it won't affect you, but it is possible that you might have to
insist that you are willing to sponsor me.
As I said before, I have a fellowship awarded by Cornell that
will cover my expenses at Stanford. I don't need any support other
than your academic sponsorship.
Yours, Charles.
∂23-Oct-85 0900 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA Greg Bledsoe, RIP
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Subject: Greg Bledsoe, RIP
Woody's oldest son died in a car accident in Del Rio, Texas yesterday.
∂23-Oct-85 0922 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA Woody's Home Address
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To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI>
Subject: Woody's Home Address
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3002 Willowood Circle
Austin, Texas 78703
∂23-Oct-85 1333 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA promotion
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: promotion
To: Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, ullman@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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John McCarthy, chairman of the committee responsible for handling
the Genesereth tenure case, is sending out this week requests for
evaluations of Genesereth to a number of people around the country.
The committee consists of JMC, Ed F., Jeff U., and me. Betty
Scott will coordinate the schedule of events for when we have to
have meetings, make decisions, bring the matter to the faculty, get
papers prepared, etc. In the meantime, we might become as familiar
as we can with Mike's work so we will be able to make an informed
recommendation to the faculty. Betty Scott will keep a file with
copies of our letters, responses, etc. for any of us who want to
inspect the file. -Nils
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∂23-Oct-85 1408 AI.COMSTOCK@MCC.ARPA Tragedy in Bledsoe Family
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From: Nora Comstock <AI.COMSTOCK@MCC.ARPA>
Subject: Tragedy in Bledsoe Family
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, hodges@SRI-AI.ARPA, mitchell@RED.RUTGERS.EDU,
mcdermott@A.CS.CMU.EDU, feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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Woody and Virginia Bledsoe's oldest son, Greg, was killed
in an automobile accident last night near Del Rio, Texas. Funeral
arrangements have not been finalized at this time, but we will keep you
posted.
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∂23-Oct-85 1447 CLT tonight
we should eat about six, i think there is enough stuff at the house
i have one more errand, then i will be at home
∂24-Oct-85 1018 RA Yorick Wilks
Called, wanted to know whether you are coming to the February methodology
workshop; they need a title. Please call him (505) 646 5466.
∂24-Oct-85 1129 RA MAD
John Nafeh just came back from Germany and would like you to call him
(56) 943 1711
∂24-Oct-85 1130 RA CS306
Bob Givan (your TA CS306) asked me to let you know that the other TA,
Mark Laube is sick and went out of town. Bob will come class five minutes
after the end of the class to distribut the EKL manuals. Please tell the
students to stay after class in order to get their manuals.
∂24-Oct-85 1229 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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From: HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
To: jmc@su-ai
John, the program committee for the knowledge conference met last
Friday. We decided we would very much like you to give an invited
talk. The abstract you submitted seems to me to be an obvious
subject, but the final choice of subject is up to you. We will
be having proceedings for the conference (published by Morgan-Kaufman),
and I hope that you will be able to write something for the proceedings
as well (papers are due by December 15). You mentioned before that you
would be willing to give such a talk. I hope you would still be willing
to do so! I'm sorry I didn't get to you earlier in the week about this,
but I've been out of town at a conference for the last few days. By the
way, the check from AAAI for $5000 arrived. Thanks again! - Joe
∂24-Oct-85 1409 RA Jussi Ketonen
Jussi cannot make it for your 3:00pm meeting today; will it be possible for
you to meet him here Sunday at 3:00. Let me know and I can call him. If
you want to call him, his tel: 239 8400
∂24-Oct-85 1416 RA John Williams, IBM
Williams would like to talk to you re the course he is going to teach
next quarter. Please call him (56) 256 7593.
∂24-Oct-85 1539 RA leave early
I need to leave at 4:30 today.
∂24-Oct-85 1542 VAL New syntax for abnormality
Here is how your axioms for the blocks world can be written. It seems much
more readable than the explicit use of abs.
N location(x,result(e,s)) = location(x,s)
X e = move(x,l)
N color(x,result(e,s)) = color(x,s)
X e = paint(x,c)
N location(x,result(move(x,l),s)) = l
X ¬clear(top x,s)
X ¬clear(l,s)
X tooheavy x
X l = top x
N color(x,result(paint(x,c),s)) = c
N ¬trivial x
clear(l,s) ≡ ¬∃x(¬trivial x ∧ location(x,s) = l)
∂24-Oct-85 1602 VAL applications of circ'n to temporal reasoning
To: shoham@YALE.ARPA
CC: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Yoav,
John McCarthy has send me a copy of your message to him on this subject. My
first reaction: why can't you use the usual circ'n to minimize something like
(y)(y<x -> - P(y)). The minimization of this predicate in the usual set-theoretic
sense is equivalent to saying that P happens for the first time as early as
possible.
I've been working on a number of generalizations of circ'n, and I would be
interested in learning more about your problems. Can you give me a specific
example: what axioms you have, and what you want to conclude by minimizing?
Yours,
Vladimir
∂24-Oct-85 1621 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA PLANLUNCH RESUMES MONDAY....
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To: planlunch.dis: ;
POSSIBLE HISTORIES
Pat Hayes
Schlumberger Palo Alto Research, AI Lab
11:00 AM, MONDAY, October 28
SRI International, Building E, Room EJ228 (new conference room)
A history is a connected piece of space/time with 'natural' boundaries.
Using these as a basic ontology for talking about events, processes, etc.
has some advantages over some other frameworks, and doesn't have some of
the disadvantages which are sometimes attributed to it.
However, it does have one major problem, which is the difficulty of talking
about alternative possible futures, to allow planning to be done.
In this talk I discuss a new way of using histories which looks like
it can overcome this problem.
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∂24-Oct-85 1834 MOGUL@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Student Unix machine (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Subject: re: Student Unix machine (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: pratt@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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Re: 4 gigabytes on LaBrea
(1) It would be nice if LaBrea ran Sun's NFS; however, the policy
on LaBrea has been to avoid untried software, and NFS is not currently
running on any of our Vaxen. I expect that this will change, but
probably not within a year at least. If we had competent staff ...
(2) The policy on LaBrea has been to use it as fileserver only.
We bought an underpowered CPU because we didn't intend to use
it for cycles, and in fact most Labrea accounts are being created
with "FTP-only" access (plus, of course, V-system file server access
and Leaf access). I think this is a wise policy.
We could probably run a Sun NFS server with 1/2 a gigabyte instead
of 1 gigabyte. Glacier in fact seems to support ~25 concurrent
users with one disk, but the interference between paging and file
access would be less with 2 disk arms. Depends how many users we
expect and how much storage we want to give them.
-Jeff
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∂24-Oct-85 1900 JMC
Sears
∂25-Oct-85 0944 RA AAAI conference in Las Cruces in February
Do you intend to attend the conference? If yes, they need the title
of your talk today and the abstract by the end of next week. You can
call Derek Sleeman 7-3257 (sleeman@sumex) about it. If you do not intend
to attend they would like to know that too. I sent you a message from Yorick
Wilks, (505) 646 5466, about it yesterday.
646-4535
∂25-Oct-85 1011 STAN@SRI-AI.ARPA robotics
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Subject: robotics
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: stan@SRI-AI.ARPA
John, SAIL seems to be up. Would you like to continue our discussion
of Tuesday? I will be on campus late this afternoon, and on Tuesday
and Thursday for my course, so those are the easiest times for me. Or
suggest another time if those are inconvenient for you.
--Stan
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∂25-Oct-85 1048 STAN@SRI-AI.ARPA re: robotics
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Subject: re: robotics
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cc: STAN@SRI-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 25 Oct 85 10:43:00-PDT
Let's make it 5. (I'm meeting with Bill Reynolds at 4:15 - 5:00).
--Stan
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∂25-Oct-85 1103 CLT CS:306 notes
To: SCHULZ@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
CC: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
I have printed chapter I on the esp which is darker and clearer
than the copy printed from the dover.
Copy from this printer will get even darker when copied
at least on a Kodac copier. It would probably also enlarge well.
I put the copy in your mail folder.
If this is good enough I will print the remaining chapters
for you. If not we will try something else.
∂25-Oct-85 1149 SJG Nicaragua learns ...
To: su-bboards@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
JMC's last BBoard message is absolutely typical of the shortsightedness
with which people of his views consider events. Is he complaining about
the fact that President Ortega chose to buy glasses in this country, or
about the amount he spent on them?
If the former, it seems to me that his complaint is misguided. It is
true that American policies have so thoroughly crippled Central American
technological abilities that Mr. Ortega may have felt compelled to
purchase spectacles abroad, but surely Professor McCarthy should be
delighted at this as opposed to dismayed. I would have thought he would
be similarly delighted that Mr. Ortega chose to bring his business to
the United States.
So it must be the sum that was paid that sparked John's message. But
consider this: the only Americans Mr. Ortega gets to deal with are
either fascistic military types throwing grenades at him, or the
occasional tourist throwing money. Given the image he has undoubtedly
been forced to accept about our country and what goes on here, he
probably thought that 300 bucks for a pair of glasses was a good deal.
*** Hint for JMC: I'll take a check.
Matt Ginsberg
∂25-Oct-85 1225 VAL Yoav Shoham's message
Apparently Shoham sent at least two messages to you about the relation between
circ'n and temporal logic, and you've only sent me a copy of the first one. If
this is so will you please send me a copy of the second message. Thanks.
∂25-Oct-85 1410 ALS XGP fonts on DOVER
I have written and debugged a program (FNtoGF) that reads font.FNT files and
generates font.GF files. Using FSCALE to scale from 200 to 384, then
FNtoGF and finally GFtoDO (which I wrote some time ago), I can not provide
the necessary files to load XGP fonts onto DOVER.
There are a couple of hitches. Firstly, I need to know exactly how POX has
been modified to drive the DOVER. Bosack told me that a suitable driver
had been written but I have been quite unable to get a reply out of him as
to either the details or the name of someone who knows. Can you supply te
information?
The second problem, not so urgent, is that FSCALE does not do a very good
job, although it does work and could be used to start. I am currently
attempting to modify FSCALE but it isn't an easy job. FSCALE doess a
reasonable job for horizontal and vertical strokes but the diagonal
strokes and curves are handled poorly.
One possible course of action would be to magnify by 400/200 rather than
384/200, which can be done rather simply. This would mean that the
outputs would be slightly enlarged, reducing the margins but still giving
a reasonable copy. Do you object to this?
∂25-Oct-85 1416 ALS typo correction
I can NOW provide the necessary files to load XGP fonts onto DOVER.
∂25-Oct-85 1425 SJG recommendation for Genesereth
Dear John:
Looks like it will be a page and a half or so. That's about what you
expected, right? (i.e., I'm not one of those heavy-duty references who's
expect to write a lot.)
No lack of enthusiasm, just trying to do the right thing. If I don't
hear from you, I'll assume that I'm doing it.
Matt
∂25-Oct-85 1449 avg@su-aimvax.arpa Spending by Govt Leaders
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From: Allen VanGelder <avg@diablo>
Subject: Spending by Govt Leaders
To: jmc@sail, sjg@sail, su-bboards@diablo
Ronnie and Nancy cost us over $400,000 per day. Clearly Matt (SJG) missed
the point of JMC's flame. Ortega wasn't spending too MUCH, he was
spending far too LITTLE to qualify as head of state. Many of the
dictators we have supported in Latin America have established much
better records than a lousy $3,500. So let's boot Ortega out, pronto.
(Make check payable to the Sierra Club; I will pay for the stamp.)
∂25-Oct-85 1541 ME msg maybe for you??
Here is how the remote host replied to this mail address:
jmc@USC-ISI.ARPA
550 Unknown user - jmc@USC-ISI.ARPA
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∂25-Oct-85 0937 CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA Cheap ET Material Mission
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Subject: Cheap ET Material Mission
From: Rodger A. Cliff <CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA>
To: jmc@USC-ISI.ARPA@SU-AI.ARPA
John,
To refresh your memory, I was a visitor in Tom Binford's groiupλλλup (from
NASA) the '82-'83 academic year. I am now Chief Scientist of the
Engineering Applications Office at DARPA. I am trying to figure out
if it is possible to obtain lunar material to use for construction
in Earth orbit with less than a NASA size budget. I remember that
you have some ideas on how to do space missions cheaply.
Would you like to talk about this sometime?
I'm in Palo Alto today at AI&DS. I'll be around tonight λ, tomorrow
and Sun morn too.
-Rodger-
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∂25-Oct-85 1734 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA meeting
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: meeting
To: les@SU-AI.ARPA, bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA, cheriton@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
tob@SU-AI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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Sorry to have missed the last facilities comm mtg. I would very
much like to come to the next one. Les, if you are doing the scheduling,
let me know when the next one is. Thanks, -Nils
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∂25-Oct-85 1833 CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA re: Cheap ET Material Mission
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Subject: re: Cheap ET Material Mission
From: Rodger A. Cliff <CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
In-Reply-To: (Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of 25 Oct 85 1645 PDT)
John,
I'll call on Sat. Sorry for the mis-
mailing; I know what the right address
is, but typed the wrong thing I guess.
I'm at the Flamingo motel 493-2411
-Rodger-
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∂25-Oct-85 2000 RESTIVO@SU-SCORE.ARPA playing with one piece short
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Subject: playing with one piece short
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[cwr]
Professor Mccarthy:
Earlier this year, you mentioned a problem that involved determining
which chess piece was knocked off a playing board. Is there a written
statement of the problem I can use?
Chuck Restivo
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∂26-Oct-85 1613 CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA Eric Drexler
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Subject: Eric Drexler
From: Rodger A. Cliff <CLIFF@USC-ISI.ARPA>
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
John,
I enjoyed lunch and our discussion.
This note is to remind you to send me
ericλλλλλEricλλλλ
Eric Drexler's phone number.
I'll let you know if I come upon any
interesting space ideas.
-Rodger-
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∂27-Oct-85 0150 100 (from: jmc on TTY20)
1975 ijcai to Vicki
∂27-Oct-85 1509 JK meeting
I guess I missed you again;
how about us meeting some time tuesday and
I could then teach the thursday and next week tuesday class?
∂27-Oct-85 2218 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA Sierra Club
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From: Albert K. Henning <HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: Sierra Club
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
To try and keep debate at a cool level: I would be most interested in
learning where you got the ideas that 1) the Club is driven by anti-nuclear
and anti-corporate fanatics; 2) that Club leaders feel the over-powering
presence of these fanatics in their decision-making; 3) that these
anti's are the primary sources of funds for the Club, and so wield
influence over the internal decision-making processes of the Club.
Feel free to answer publicly or privately, as you wish. However, to
let you know why I am so interested in the answer: I have been a
Club leader at the local and state level for the past six years. I
have been especially active in the last two years in the area of
fundraising. We have turned away funds offered at the local level
from people who wished to place strings on their use (for anti-nuclear
purposes) which the local leadership felt was inappropriate. I am
unaware of any pressure being applied at the National Club office by
those to whom you refer. The primary sources of funds for the Club
are membership dues, catalog sales, outings - and "development" efforts,
which primarily consist of soliciting funds from the wealthier members
(most of whom are Republicans, I might add), and corporate foundations
such as the Packard Foundation. The Club has also received substantial
donations from oil and timber companies in the past, though these are
seen publicly as the principal antagonists of the Club.
In any case: what I'm asking is, is there something you know, that I
don't, which should make me more cautious/critical/(even) suspicious?
I continue to consider myself a reasonable person, but find it hard to
be so when someone makes unsubstantiated statements so at odds with my
personal experience.
I'll look forward to your reply,
With thanks, Al
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∂27-Oct-85 2240 reid@glacier eyeglasses
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From: Brian Reid <reid@glacier>
Subject: eyeglasses
To: jmc@sail
I read all 3 of (Chronicle, Times-Tribune, Mercury-News).
I only remember seeing it in the Chronicle, and even there it was
edited down somewhat from your wire story.
∂28-Oct-85 0756 JK
∂27-Oct-85 1531 JMC re: meeting
[In reply to message rcvd 27-Oct-85 15:09-PT.]
Sorry. I lost track of time in the library. Tuesday will be fine.
How about either 11am or 3pm. My only actual commitments are the
class from 1:15 to 2:30 and an exam at 4:15 to (I suppose) 6pm.
I was going to propose your teaching the class Thursday and the
following Tuesday anyway, because I want to spend another day on
EKL myself anyway.
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Tuesday at 3pm is fine.
∂28-Oct-85 0800 JMC
Stephen Graubard 617 491-2600, Daedalus
492-8800
∂28-Oct-85 0821 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: American Academy of Arts and Sciences
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: American Academy of Arts and Sciences
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 27 Oct 85 18:45:00-PST
Message-ID: <12154747325.20.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Yes, I think that would be interesting and would be glad to be
proposed for membership. By the way, you might be interested
in a little essay I am still polishing called "Fantasy, Computation,
and Reality." I was invited to give the "Bronowski Memorial Lecture"
at Toronto. It's next week, and the essay is the written version
of that lecture. They wanted me to talk about AI, but I decided that
there was insufficient understanding among intellectuals about computer
science in general, let alone AI. I'll get you a copy of what I've
done so far--as soon as I make a few more changes I know I need
to make.
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∂28-Oct-85 0820 ALS XGP fonts to the DOVER
This is a copy of a note that I sent you last week an which you may not
have received.
I have written and debugged a program (FNtoGF) that reads font.FNT files and
generates font.GF files. Using FSCALE to scale from 200 to 384, then
FNtoGF and finally GFtoDO (which I wrote some time ago), I can now provide
the necessary files to load XGP fonts onto DOVER.
There are a couple of hitches. Firstly, I need to know exactly how PUB has
been modified to drive the DOVER. Bosack told me that a suitable driver
had been written but I have been quite unable to get a reply out of him as
to either the details or the name of someone who knows. Can you supply te
information?
The second problem, not so urgent, is that FSCALE does not do a very good
job, although it does work and could be used to start. I am currently
attempting to modify FSCALE but it isn't an easy job. FSCALE does a
reasonable job for horizontal and vertical strokes but the diagonal
strokes and curves are handled poorly.
One possible course of action would be to magnify by 400/200 rather than
384/200, which can be done rather simply. This would mean that the
outputs would be slightly enlarged, reducing the margins but still giving
a reasonable copy. Do you object to this?
∂28-Oct-85 0905 RA Sarah's birthday
We need Sarah's birthday for the records, can you help?
Thanks.
∂28-Oct-85 0958 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Harvard
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From: Michael Genesereth <GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Harvard
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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John,
Over lunch a couple of weeks ago, you mentioned that Harvard was
looking for AI people, and you mentioned that you might be willing
to suggest my name to Martin. I've thought about it a bit and
decided that it is a possibility worth pursuing. Would you be
willing to write to him? I am planning to be on the East Coast
for most of November and can stop by almost anytime. Thanks.
mrg
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∂28-Oct-85 1050 RA
John,
This is the letter you wrote Martin in January 1985
Prof. Paul C. Martin
Division of Applied Sciences
Harvard University
217 Pierce Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138
Dear Professor Martin:
I am familiar with all the people you mention, but I don't closely
follow the papers of any of them. All are better known than the people
you mention as being on the Harvard faculty with interests in artificial
intelligence.
I suppose Drew McDermott has the highest scientific potential
of the group. He has worked on quite a variety of hard problems and
has gotten significant results. He also exercises a reasonable degree
of self-criticism, so he knows when one of his attempts is not
successful enough. Roger Schank has ideas and energy, but often
pushes inadequate ideas beyond their merits. He supervises large
numbers of students. I would worry some about his commercial interests.
Mike Brady has a good reputation in robotics, but I have no first hand
familiarity with his work, having lost interest in the field. I am
not familiar with Randall Davis's recent work which I suppose is in
expert systems. As far as I know Feldman's recent activity has been
mainly administrative. When he was at Stanford, I did not consider
him extremely creative.
In my opinion you should look beyond this group - at least
I suppose Harvard can make offers that are interesting to the best
people in any field. Robert Boyer and Jay Moore (a team) have done
the best work in the world in automatic and interactive theorem proving.
Tom Mitchell at Rutgers and Ryszard(?) Michalski (separately) have done
the most interesting recent work in machine learning. Robert Kowalski
of Imperial College and Alain Colmerauer of the University of
Aix-Marseille are the originators of logic programming. Strong
younger people include Fernando Pereira and Stanley Rosenschein
of SRI International. If you could get Gerald Sussman of M.I.T.,
that would be a great catch. We recently got Nils Nilsson of SRI
to be our department chairman. Among older people, Donald Michie
has great initiative and would get many good things started. He
got into some fights through pushing AI harder than the British
system would tolerate, but I think he could be a big help.
I summary the people you mention are ok, but you should
cast your net wider. Perhaps you need more high level advice in person
from people who know who's who. Nilsson,
Michie, Sussman and/or Boyer would be good for that.
Sincerely,
∂28-Oct-85 1124 RA your letters
I will from now on keep a hard copy of all the letters you send.
∂28-Oct-85 1136 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA PhD meeting this Tuesday 2:15 in 200-205
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To: phd@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
Phd-committee: ;
cc: phd-program@SU-SCORE.ARPA
The meeting postponed from last week will be this Tuesday.
It will be an open discussion of the phd program and possible
changes to it.
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∂28-Oct-85 1259 VAL Non-monotonic seminar - Reminder
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
The first meeting of the Seminar on Common Sense and Non-Monotonic
Reasoning is in 252MJH on Wednesday, October 30, at 2pm.
John McCarthy will begin the seminar by discussing some of the problems
that have arisen in using abnormality to formalize common sense knowledge about
the effects of actions using circumscription. His paper Applications of
Circumscription to Formalizing Commmon Sense Knowledge is available from Rutie
Adler 358MJH. This paper was given in the Non-monotonic Workshop, and the
present version, which is to be published in Artificial Intelligence, is not
greatly different. The problems in question relate to trying to use the formalism
of that paper.
∂28-Oct-85 1311 RA staff meeting
I will be at a staff meeting for the next hour.
∂28-Oct-85 1417 RICHER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: More on the Sierra Club
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From: Mark Richer <RICHER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: More on the Sierra Club
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboards@SU-AI.ARPA, henning@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, RICHER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 27 Oct 85 10:36:00-PST
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I didn't know the nuclear waste disposal problem was solved .. could you
elaborate?
mark
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∂28-Oct-85 1426 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: Sierra Club
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From: Albert K. Henning <HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: Sierra Club
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 28 Oct 85 09:07:00-PST
Regarding the bumper sticker: yes, I HAVE encountered a number of people
who feel just that way. While I don't always sympathize with the
"experience" that brought them to that position, sometimes they have
a worthy beef.
Ernie Konnyu had an interesting statistic at his fingertips when I and
a few other folks lobbied him on an issue about two years ago. In his
Assembly district (wealthier foothills near Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Los
Gatos), in his own private poll, 48% of those polled viewed the work
of the Club in a positive light while 30% (!) viewed it negatively.
No other group elicited such a strongly polarized response. (No other
group had such a large net, plus-18%, either.) I continue to have
difficulty explaining this dichotomy.
Just thought you'd be interested. Al
P.S. My brother-in-law (former White House Fellow under Reagan)
lives in Anchorage, Alaska. From storied he has related to me, I
suspect the Club would be lucky to net minus-18% in a similar poll
there - leading me to guess the pioneering types, with strong
dislike for government regulation (e.g. "This Alaska land, formerly
good hunting ground, is now a National Monument and off-limits to
hunting."), also harbor strong dislikes for those they deem
responsible for such legislation.
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∂28-Oct-85 1506 RA Kurt Ceel, future student
Kurt Ceel is applying for graduate school in Geology for the next academic
year; he will be on campus Friday, Nov. 1 and would like to come and talk
to you about computer applications; will it be convenient for you to meet
him at 3:00 o'clock Friday?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
∂28-Oct-85 1511 HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: More on the Sierra Club
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From: Albert K. Henning <HENNING@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: More on the Sierra Club
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 28 Oct 85 14:32:00-PST
re: waste disposal explanation.
Terse, but generally ok: until the last, inflammatory, and obfuscatory
sentence. "Deliberate"? "panic-mongering"? "by the Sierra Club"?
If you hold Helen to account for her facts, must you not do so
yourself?
Al
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∂28-Oct-85 1531 RA Unver Kaynak's orals
Prof. Cantwell from Aeronautics called re Kaynak's oral tomorrow. He wanted
to know whether you got Kaynak's file. The oral is tomorrow at 4:15 (4:00
cookies) at Terman Auditorium. Please contact Cantwell 7-4825.
∂29-Oct-85 0831 RA Letter to Paul Martin
Paul Martin received your letter, martin.1, on January 30, 1985.
∂29-Oct-85 0900 JMC
waltuch
∂29-Oct-85 1119 CLT calendar item
I ordered two tickets for the Marilyn Horne recital.
If you decide not to go, I'll try to find someone else who would like to go.
tue 12-nov 20:30 Marilyn Horne @ Davies (SF)
∂29-Oct-85 1137 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Parallel Computing Center
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From: T. C. Rindfleisch <Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Parallel Computing Center
To: ullman@SU-AIMVAX.ARPA
cc: cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA, feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, golub@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
jef@SU-AI.ARPA, jlh@SU-SHASTA.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, lantz@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA,
linton@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, mayr@SU-AIMVAX.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
oliger@SU-NAVAJO.ARPA, owicki@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, papa@SU-AIMVAX.ARPA,
pratt@SU-NAVAJO.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA, wiederhold@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
zm@SU-AI.ARPA, Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Engelmore@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
Brown@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Delagi@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeff Ullman <ullman@diablo>" of Thu 17 Oct 85 10:25:11-PDT
Message-ID: <12155038536.61.RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Jeff, is anything happening yet in response to your message on the Parallel
Computing Center? Without knowing anything about how the various groups you
sent your message to might fit together, I wanted to raise the following
possibility.
As you know, the HPP Concurrent Symbolic Computing Architectures project has
been funded by DARPA Strategic Computing. This project is emulation intensive
in experimenting with alternative parallel architectures. Right now we are
running our emulator on a number of standalone Symbolics and TI Lisp machines
but this will be too slow in the long haul. So, we have been thinking about a
larger facility, possibly based on a Multiprocessor Emulation Facility (MEF)
like Arvind is building at MIT. This is a hypercube connected array of up to
64 TI Explorers (8 Mbyte each) with software for communication and resource
allocation. The full configuration of 64 machines and communications hardware
would cost $2-3M. The capacity of such a machine would be beyond what the HPP
could fully use routinely and so the possibility of a larger user community
might make sense.
We have already had encouraging preliminary talks with DARPA IPTO, TI, and MIT
about doing this. Do you see any interest in this kind of resource or are
there other machines being proposed that might solve our problem?
Tom R.
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∂29-Oct-85 2149 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA The talk
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∂30-Oct-85 1055 JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA keys to offices
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From: Jamie Marks <JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: keys to offices
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The locks on Casita 54, 53, and 52, the offices you share, have
been changed so that your front-door key, the one marked "X"
will open the office doors too. Sorry for the delay in getting
this done.
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∂30-Oct-85 1644 VAL Non-Monotonic Seminar
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
Next time we meet on Wednesday, November 6, at 2pm in MJH252. We'll discuss
three introductory topics:
1. "Formalizing intuition". This is what we're trying to do in the areas of
interest to AI, and this is what mathematicians have been doing all the time
in some other areas. There are lessons we can learn from the experience
accumulated in foundations of mathematics about how to formalize intuition and
how to judge whether a formalization is good.
2. Abnormality predicates in axioms. Where do they come from? I'll describe an
alternative syntax for axioms of circumscriptive theories which seems more
intuitive than the usual form with "ab" and from which the usual form can be
obtained by a simple syntactic transformation.
3. Circumscription. For those who are not familiar with technical aspects of
this concept, I'll explain the definition and how to work with it, with a few
simple examples.
Vladimir
∂30-Oct-85 2346 LES Draft solicitation
To: "@FACIL.DIS[P,DOC]"@SU-AI.ARPA, Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Here is a draft of what I propose to send to the CSD Faculty list.
If any of this appears to you to be vague, incomplete, or wrong-headed,
please let me know. I aim for a Friday noon release, just to ruin their
weekend.
Les
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Computer Facilities Needs
We need your estimates of computer and other technical support needs over
at least the next five years. These needs are to be compiled, argued, and
integrated into three documents that are under development:
(1) a general 10 year plan for the department,
(2) a description of support needs over the next 5 years that
should be met by either the CSD Computer Facilities Group or
outside entities such as LOTS.
(3) a specific 2 year plan for the Computer Facilities Group,
Recognizing that most people's crystal balls get cloudy beyond a few
years, we think that it will suffice to get estimates from each group
covering the next five years and to use rather simple-minded extrapolation
to sketch departmental needs in the 1990-95 time period. If anyone wishes
to predict their needs for the full 10 year term, however, we will welcome
the additional information. Something on the order of one page of text is
about the right level of detail for this round.
We wish to use a predominently "top down" approach in formulating these
plans. General needs should be tied to one or more departmental programs
(e.g. "Instruction," "Research," or "Administration and Support"). While
specific suggestions, recommendations, or examples of solutions are
welcome, we mainly want functional requirements. For example, if you
recommend that we buy "25 XYZ machines," please also say something like
"in support of a course on Pernicious Programming involving about
125 students for two quarters each year with an average student needing
six hours/week on a terminal supporting PunkLisp."
You need not cover expansions needed to support the planned undergraduate
program. We shall extract these needs from Jeff Ullman's report,
"Resource Requirements for an Undergraduate Program in Computer Science."
It is understood that research programs will generally pay their own way
as far as computer facilities are concerned. We expect that some groups
plan to also take responsibility for their own computer acquisitions and
system software development. In such cases, descriptions of computing
resources need not be very detailed but we still need to know about
computer space needs and any known special environmental requirements such
as unusual electrical power, special communication needs, or large
archival storage needs. Groups that plan to use departmental technical
facilities or who wish to consider this option should so state.
While we recognize that CSD technical, financial, and space resources are
limited, we plan to uninhibitedly accept and compile stated requirements
from all groups in the department at first. This compilation will be made
available to whoever is interested and we will then attempt to reconcile
the demands with resource limitations by traditional methods: cost/benefit
analysis, argumentation, and political infighting.
The Facilities Committee will start thrashing on this November 11.
A timely response will be appreciated. Please send your projected needs,
questions, or gripes to me, preferably by electronic mail.
Les Earnest (les@SAIL)
∂31-Oct-85 0037 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA November coffee money due
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From: Joan Feigenbaum <JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: November coffee money due
To: coffee-drinkers: ;
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Fellow addicts:
November coffee pool money is due. Suggested rates are $5/month for regular
coffee drinkers and $2/month for regular tea and cocoa drinkers.
Joan Feigenbaum
(MJH 325)
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∂31-Oct-85 0937 RA doctor appointment
I have a doctor appointment at 10:00;be back around 11:00.
∂31-Oct-85 1018 VAL moving blocks
I have a comment on the example at the end of Section 12 of your paper on
applications of circumscription. You are saying: "Suppose we provide by a
suitable axiom than when the block to be moved is not clear... then the situation
is normally unchanged". This assumption may help you explain where the difficulty
is, but, in fact, it is not needed, and the problem exists even without this
additional axiom. If our axioms have at least one model in which "bad" moves
leave the situation unchanged, we can only prove a disjunction in our example.
Thus we are in trouble as soon as the assumption about "bad" moves is *consistent*
with the axioms, it doesn't have to follow from them. For instance, the axioms
can be exactly as they are in Section 9 of your paper.
∂31-Oct-85 1056 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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From: Tina Contreras <CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: message
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12155558504.27.CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
The Bookstore phoned your desk refill pads are available for pick up.
Tina
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∂31-Oct-85 1350 KARP@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA LaBrea
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From: Peter Karp <KARP@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: LaBrea
To: rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA,
cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA, earnest@SU-AI.ARPA, genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
tjiang@SU-SHASTA.ARPA, jpbion@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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I must say that I really think someone botched this LaBrea situation.
Hasn't we had the thing over a year? Why has it taken this long to get
users on? And once it was made available we find the policy for its use
is virtually worthless. My guess is that the problem is not that
someone carefully thought out a bad policy, but that the driving force
here is one of neglect. Would people be using it now if someone hadn't
posted a bboard flame asking when it would be available?
When I was on the facilities committee two years ago there was a lot of
talk about using LaBrea as a departmental archive for things like
dissertations. Has any plan been formulated for this?
I have no idea who's really responsible for this situation; but I do
know that two years ago it was the facilities committee that planned
to get LaBrea.
Peter
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∂31-Oct-85 1514 RA [Reply to message recvd: 31 Oct 85 14:42 Pacific Time]
Yes; I took it there yestereday.
∂31-Oct-85 1559 GIVAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA cs306 pset 3--problem with a problem (metaproblem?)
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Subject: cs306 pset 3--problem with a problem (metaproblem?)
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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jmc:
In the assigned problem 2.1 (in problem set 3), it is not clear
to me what point [x,y] is when x is not a subexpression of y.
How can this be dealt with in proving "for any x,y...PHI (point[x,y])"?
Students have asked about this and I'm not sure what to tell them.
If we are to assume that x is a subexpression of y, how can this
assumption be represented in the proof? Should another function
defining "subexpression" be added:
for any x,y: issubexpr[x,y] implies [x = get [y,point[x,y] ]
for some appropriate function issubexpr?
I will forward your response to students....
Bob Givan
p.s. two quick questions students have been asking:
1) will there be a project???
2) will the final be take-home??? (i suggest yes)
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∂31-Oct-85 1618 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Freedom for LaBrea]
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Subject: [Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Freedom for LaBrea]
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On the whole, I'm glad we generated some interest. Len
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Date: Thu 31 Oct 85 16:15:29-PST
From: Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Freedom for LaBrea
To: SU-BBoards@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12155620099.35.BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
By popular demand, you will soon be able to login on LaBrea.
LaBrea is intended to be an archival fileserver. This implies engineering
to have a small computer (VAX 11/750) with a large (4.5GB) disk.
So, while you may login on LaBrea, we ask you do only those things needed
to support your archival storage of files on LaBrea.
Len Bosack
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∂01-Nov-85 0820 SMC Vet school application fee.
Could you leave me a check for $35.00 made out to the "Regents of U.C." ? My
accounts are somewhat messed up at the moment and I certainly wouldn't want that
check to bounce! Please leave it at home or at the lab today, I have to send the
application today by 4pm.Thanks.
∂01-Nov-85 0932 VAL two practical questions
1. Marek will speak in our seminar on Nov. 20 about Moore's autoepistemic logic.
He asks whether we will pay for his ticket. (I've never promised him that, and he
seems to have another source of funding available). Will we?
2. The seminar after that should be at 2pm on the day before Thanksgiving.
Should we cancel it?
∂01-Nov-85 1000 JMC
Chudnovsky, paper for Halpern
∂01-Nov-85 1024 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Re: LaBrea
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: Re: LaBrea
To: KARP@Sumex-Aim, cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA, earnest@Sail,
genesereth@Sumex-Aim, jmc@Sail, jpbion@SU-SUSHI.ARPA,
rindfleisch@Sumex-Aim, tjiang@Shasta, tob@Sail
I have been on the facilities committee for 3 years and dont feel I was ever
consulted on Labrea or advised on the plan for same. I agree with the
complaints about the current policy that have appeared on bboard.
I think the people that regarded this project as a good idea in the first place
should reexamine how it is being carried out, and whether they still think
it is a reasonable thing to do.
In this vein, I think there is more hardware sitting idle in MJH than is
required to address the complaints of lack of file space, Unix access, etc.
We need to get our act together.
∂01-Nov-85 1212 SMC fee
Thank you again. I am planning to apply to a half dozen vet. schools,
and I am also investigating various graduate programs.
∂01-Nov-85 1254 RA leaving
Leaving now for lunch and a medical appointment; be back around 3:00.
∂01-Nov-85 1424 GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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From: Lynn Gotelli <GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 1 Nov 85 12:41:00-PST
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Account name on LaBrea is <jmc> password: quaderno
Lynn
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∂01-Nov-85 1624 LES Editor-based Operating System
Responding to your October 23 note to Nils Nilsson, John McCarthy and I
are interested in getting an IBM UNIX-based workstation for use in exploring
the development of an experimental editor-based operating system. We expect to
find some funding elsewhere to support the necessary programming effort.
The main premise of the project is that the proper environment
for the interactive user of a computer is a display editor. This provides
the ability to re-edit both previous input and new output in
order to generate new input and also to file the output as desired.
Various other improvements in editors and operating systems are planned.
Thus the goals of the project include the following.
1. The shell and interactive programs will be normally
operated out of a new advanced display editor. Programs for which
this is not suitable will be able to control the interaction themselves.
3. We will explore the possibility of writing the editor and our
other programs in Common Lisp. The full facilities of Common Lisp would
then be available for macros for controlling the editor itself, the
operating system and user programs. Our experience has shown us that if
the editor provides good enough interactive facilities, then many user
programs can rely on them thus allowing simpler programming of interactive
programs.
4. The editor and the operating system will be kept fully
programmable. Thus anything a person can do interactively, he will
be able to write programs to do. This means that all output seeable
by a user must also be readable by programs. Interactive programs
that use the display in a non-standard way will be able to violate
this condition. System status information will be maintained in editable
files.
5. The editor and file system will accomodate arbitrary
character sets. This advance is easy to make in the editor itself and in
bit map displays and modern printers, but keyboards present a problem for
which we intend to provide and explore a variety of solutions.
6. Our planned solution to the arbitrary character set problem
will allow both for standard keyboards and for keyboards adapted
to special tasks, e.g. the use of mathematics, APL or foreign
languages. Thus a special character can appear on the screen
either because the user has pressed a key on a special keyboard
or because he has pressed a suitable sequence of keys on an
ordinary keyboard. The same sequence of bytes will inhabit the
file in either case.
The pace of the project will depend on how soon we can get funding
and interest students in the project after it gets started. We should
have something working within a year of the time we get people,
computer, and funds.
∂01-Nov-85 1643 LES Editor-based Operating System
To: Eustis@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
CC: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Responding to your October 23 note to Nils Nilsson, John McCarthy and I
are interested in getting an IBM UNIX-based workstation for use in exploring
the development of an experimental editor-based operating system. We expect to
find some funding elsewhere to support the necessary programming effort.
The main premise of the project is that the proper environment
for the interactive user of a computer is a display editor. This provides
the ability to re-edit both previous input and new output in
order to generate new input and also to file the output as desired.
Various other improvements in editors and operating systems are planned.
Thus the goals of the project include the following.
1. The shell and interactive programs will be normally
operated out of a new advanced display editor. Programs for which
this is not suitable will be able to control the interaction themselves.
2. We will explore the possibility of writing the editor and our
other programs in Common Lisp. The full facilities of Common Lisp would
then be available for macros for controlling the editor itself, the
operating system and user programs. Our experience has shown us that if
the editor provides good enough interactive facilities, then many user
programs can rely on them thus allowing simpler programming of interactive
programs.
3. The editor and the operating system will be kept fully
programmable. Thus anything a person can do interactively, he will
be able to write programs to do. This means that all output seeable
by a user must also be readable by programs. Interactive programs
that use the display in a non-standard way will be able to violate
this condition. System status information will be maintained in editable
files.
4. The editor and file system will accomodate arbitrary
character sets. This advance is easy to make in the editor itself and in
bit map displays and modern printers, but keyboards present a problem for
which we intend to provide and explore a variety of solutions.
5. Our planned solution to the arbitrary character set problem
will allow both for standard keyboards and for keyboards adapted
to special tasks, e.g. the use of mathematics, APL or foreign
languages. Thus a special character can appear on the screen
either because the user has pressed a key on a special keyboard
or because he has pressed a suitable sequence of keys on an
ordinary keyboard. The same sequence of bytes will inhabit the
file in either case.
The pace of the project will depend on how soon we can get funding
and interest students in the project after it gets started. We should
have something working within a year of the time we get people,
computer, and funds.
∂01-Nov-85 1843 ME Prancing Pony Bill
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∂01-Nov-85 2118 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: message from Brian Reid
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From: Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: message from Brian Reid
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 1 Nov 85 12:44:00-PST
Message-ID: <12155937787.16.BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
It looks like we do each partition incrmental every other day, full once
each week.
I'm checking to be sure I've got that right.
There may be a hidden 'real' creation date we can use for the incrementals,
but I don't know of one. Brian's scheme would be ideal if we could do it
this way.
Len
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∂01-Nov-85 2148 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: The talk
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To: JMC@su-ai.ARPA, yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA
Subject: re: The talk
This is just to confirm receiving the title. Thank you, --Yuri Gurevich--
∂02-Nov-85 0918 CLT dinner
with Fefermans and Weyhrauchs 7pm Thursday (Nov 7)
∂02-Nov-85 0931 CLT dishwasher
they will come between 11:30 and 12 (hopefully)
∂03-Nov-85 1018 CLT Might you be interested in the UCB lecture?
∂02-Nov-85 1251 JMC Might you be interested in the UCB lecture?
Wednesday, November 6 4:15 60 Evans
MSRI-EVANS WEDNESDAY LECTURES
Hendrik Lenstra "Applied Number Theory"
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I think not
∂03-Nov-85 2000 JMC
Gosper about Lenstra lecture
∂04-Nov-85 0800 JMC
Sussman
∂04-Nov-85 1045 RA leaving
I have a medical appointment; will be back in about 45 min.
∂04-Nov-85 1400 JMC
Food article for vts
∂04-Nov-85 1406 RA David Chudnovsky
David called; he will call again later (here or at home).
∂04-Nov-85 1438 LES Facilities Committee Meeting
To: "@FACIL.DIS[P,DOC]"@SU-AI.ARPA
Next meeting is at 4:00 PM on Wednesday, November 6 in the Chairman's Conference
Room. Ralph Gorin will tell us about LOTS development plans.
∂04-Nov-85 1528 FFL SIGLUNCH, Nov. 15
To: JMC, FFL
Matt Ginsberg has you scheduled as speaker for the Siglunch on Nov. 15.
Could you please give me a title and abstract to send to the Siglunch
mailing list? I need it Thursday or Friday, Nov. 7-8. Thank you. Fran
∂04-Nov-85 1555 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting
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From: Terry Winograd <WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Meeting
To: Phd-committee: ;
I will be giving a talk at NASA-Ames tomorrow so won't be here in time
for a meeting. We will have our next meeting next Tuesday, Nov 12, at
2:15 in 352 [Victoria, can you confirm that room? - thanks.]. Before
then I hope to put together a written proposal for some possibilities
and send it around. Anyone else who would like to do so, it would be
appreciated, and if you mail it in advance we can make hardcopies for
the meeting. --t
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∂04-Nov-85 1700 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Comments from last Tuesday's meeting
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From: Terry Winograd <WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Comments from last Tuesday's meeting
To: phd-program@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: Phd-committee: ;
The following topics were brought up at the public meeting as some of the issues to be addressed in re-evaluating the Ph.D. program (Thanks to Victoria for transcribing -- distortions introduced in rewording and reordering are my fault):
1. There is value of the exams in encouraging breadth of knowledge in CS
but: the field is big, so breadth can lead to superficiality
and: real breadth may lengthen the time it takes to get a degree
2. It is important, but very hard, to define the "core" material of CS
i.e., there are different views within the faculty, and even more if
we
consider the outside views from industry
and: it is not obvious who our preparation is aimed for (researchers,
teachers, or practitioners)
so: we should look at who is getting hired to teach and do what
also: it is not clear what we expect on entry (a CS degree or
equivalent, versus the older idea of getting "bright" students
regardless of background)
3. There are problems with the comps
e.g.; unclear relation of exam to courses offered
and: some people think the exams in any one area are not solid enough
i.e., there seem to be big differences between areas (AI and
systems are thought to be relatively superficial exams, while
the theory areas are more concentrated.
and: our comp requires competence to be demonstrated in all areas on
the same day
and: some areas are often not up to date in their fields
and: there are periodic "fiascos" in which the grading doesn't match
other ideas of who should pass and who should fail, requiring
special attention
this may be because the priority of the goals of the exams
(pushing people to study versus weeding them) out is unclear.
idea: should there be comp "majors" and "minors"?
4. There are problems with the quals
e.g., lots of differences among areas about how much is really
required.
so: do we have any department-wide philosophy about what they are
for?
should they be divided into areas differently?
"systems" could be subdivided
quals might be related to specific thesis areas
5. There are various ways to push for breadth
e.g., the EE dept. uses the "stochastic" method of making students
satisfy the particular views of 10 semi-randomly chosen faculty
members
and: they require 80 units of courses (or 42 if you have an MS)
idea: we might require a selection of n out of k areas
6. We want better integration of theory with systems
do we want separate "tracks" where students choose one early on?
7. Brian Reid says "Be radical!".
--t
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∂04-Nov-85 1915 fateman@dali.berkeley.edu faculty recruitment time at Berkeley
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From: fateman@dali.berkeley.edu (Richard Fateman)
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To: jm@mit-mc.arpa, jmc@su-ai.arpa, rpg@su-ai.arpa, rz@mit-mc.arpa
Subject: faculty recruitment time at Berkeley
Cc: fateman@dali.berkeley.edu
We are looking for people in almost every area of computer science,
except, possibly, theory. We are looking for junior faculty, or
senior appointments (with tenure). If you have suggestions of
graduating students or others who might be interested in coming to
Berkeley, please forward them to me. (I'm on the search committee.)
Thanks.
RJF
∂04-Nov-85 2011 SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA SUNs running EMACS.
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From: Jack Snoeyink <SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: SUNs running EMACS.
To: su-bboards@SU-SUSHI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12156710950.15.SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
I know the idea of a SUN running EMACS may sound like trying to get a
Cray to run CP/M so you can use Visicalc, but there is a reason. I
would love to know all the capabilities of all the machines that I run
into around here and to be able to use them all in the most efficient
combinations---as a result of study and dumb questions, I'll
graduallly get better---but for now I have an operating systems
project that must be done with my current knowledge.
If the CS department ever decides to quit accepting bright students in
mathematics who have had little previous computer experience, maybe
they should also not accept people like me who have no previous
experience with EMACS, SUNs, TOPS-20, Unix, DEC equipment, ARPAnet,
SAIL, or knowing who to ask at Stanford for answers to dumb questions...
Jack
p.s. As is probably obvious, I came from a smaller college---We used
a Pr1me running Primos and had their line editor and a screen editor a
student had written.
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∂04-Nov-85 2026 SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: SUNs running EMACS.
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From: Jack Snoeyink <SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: re: SUNs running EMACS.
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 4 Nov 85 20:16:00-PST
Message-ID: <12156714729.15.SNOEYINK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Thanks. Nor was my reply indented to criticize---you or time-sharing
machines. I tried to find an analogy of a specialized machine being
made to run a general purpose application and then happened to ramble
on to the admissions policy... I'm rambling again when I should be
working, but I did want to say thanks.
Jack
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∂05-Nov-85 0401 HST parallel lisp
hi john. how is carolyn?
you didn't answer my last message - went something wrong with that journalist?
my bargaining with siemens is now at a stage where i have
to decide. it is really realistical to speculate with
that projecet in summer 1986?
i think that history chair is completely in the clouds.
please tell my something about the atmosphere in stanford.
i'm always trying to mail you the mueum stuff - but the nets are not
stable.hopefully it will work sometime in the fututre.
herbert
∂05-Nov-85 0929 SCHULMAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS306 problems
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From: Robert M. Schulman <SCHULMAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: CS306 problems
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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Prof. McCarthy:
I honestly believe that I understand concepts like list-induction and
sexp-induction and rank induction, BUT I had a great deal of trouble with
the latest problem set, and I am convinced that I am not alone. In fact,
I worked last night for 8 hours with 3 other people trying to make sense
of the proofs. In that time, we attempted 4 proofs, and finished only one.
The question is: are we stupid, or are we mis-informed? I would greatly
appreciate it if you would take the time to poll the class today. If it
is your intention to weed out people with this problem set, please state
that publicly--it would certainly make the TA's jobs easier! I personally
won't drop the class no matter what, because I WILL learn this stuff. If
it turns out that the entire class is having the same problem that I am,
would you consider slowing down? I suspect that a few well-chosen examples
might put most people back on track. Thanks for your consideration.
- Bob Schulman
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∂05-Nov-85 0946 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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From: Tina Contreras <CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: message
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12156860378.17.CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
John Nafeh phoned. Please call. 408 943-1711.
tina
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∂05-Nov-85 1151 RA Conference Dec. 5 and 6
Martha Nelson from American Academy in Cambridge, Mass. called re conference
December 5 and 6. She wanted to know whether she should take care of
accommodation for you for these dates; please let me know and I will call her
back.
∂05-Nov-85 1215 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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John,
Thanks for writing to Paul Martin.
mrg
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∂05-Nov-85 1309 ALS Font conversion progress report
Progress report as of November 5, 1985. A. L. Samuel
My new FNTtoGF program is now working correctly, I believe, and all the
mechanics are in place to make DOVER fonts from XGP fonts. Unfortunately,
the 384 pixel versions are quite unsatisfactory because of limitations of
th FSCALE program. FSCALE makes somewhat better 400/200 copies (as
compared with 384/200) of the old XGP fonts if these are worth having.
These fonts are better than one might expect but they are far from being
really good. It is questionable as to whether the potential users would be
satisfied with them for very long.
I have come to the reluctant conclusion that it is not reasonable for me
to try to develop a much better FSCALE program because of the size of the
task. Jonathan Gordon is fixing up a copy of PUB so as to be able to use
existing (non XGP) Dover fonts and perhaps the better course is to settle
for using these fonts. If there are a very few XGP fonts of especial
interest, I could undertake the task of hand tuning these, but this is a
tedious task, at best, and my artistry might not satisfy some people.
One possible project for me to undertake might be that of producing a
version of PUB that would use GF fonts. This could probably be done
without to much effort, but only after one thoroughly understood the
existing PUB program. I would want to look into the problem a bit before
agreeing to take it on. Such a program would enable one to use PUB with
the IMAGEN printer. It would lengthen the life of PUB beyond the useful
life of the existing DOVER and ROVER printers but it would not salvage the
XGP fonts.
Returning to the question of salvaging the old XGP fonts, the problem of
increasing the resolution is difficult because there is no simple way to
separate artifacts introduced to compensate for poor resolution from the
essential features of a glyph design. A good solution must involve an
analysis of the different strokes that make up a glyph. Then sometimes,
one wants to soften the transition between strokes as the resolution is
increased while there are other times when one wants to sharpen the
transition. The situation will usually be obvious to a person who knows
something about fonts in general and about the distinguishing features of
the particular font, but it is hard to codify this knowledge.
Several techniques are described in the literature. An IBM developed
method, that must have involved several man years of effort, does a fair
job, but strangely enough, the results for complicated magnifications, of
the order of 2 to 1, do not seem to be all that much better than what is
produced by FSCALE at 400/200 magnification.
∂05-Nov-85 1316 LES Computer Facilities Reschedule
To: "@FACIL.DIS[P,DOC]"@SU-AI.ARPA
By semi-popular demand, given that there is a seminar conflict, we will
begin the Computer Facilities Committee meeting at 5:15 on Wednesday and
try to keep it concise.
∂05-Nov-85 1736 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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To: jmc@su-ai
John, can you give me a title for your talk at the knowledge
conference. -- Joe
∂05-Nov-85 1800 LES Pub preservation
To: ALS@SU-AI.ARPA, ME@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, JJW@SU-AI.ARPA,
Bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA
It appears to me that the best way to preserve our investments in Pub
sources is to modify Pub to produce DVI output. This would automatically
give access to the Computer Modern fonts, which can be scaled reasonably
easily to fit various printer resolutions. This will tend to keep Pub
alive through subsequent printer migrations.
It would be nice, but not essential, if the adaptation to DVI were done in
a way that preserves the ability to print on the Dover with Dover fonts,
recognizing that these fonts will not be available on other printers.
Just switching to DVI would apparently work for most of the users (Marty
and me) but JMC uses several math fonts with peculiar properties. To keep
him alive, it will be necessary to convert these fonts to GF form. We know
that this conversion, using FSCALE and ALS's FNT2GF converter will not be
excessively beautiful, but it will permit John's papers to be printed in a
readable form. John's needs will be met if these fonts are available in
just one resolution, preferably 300 dpi.
I invite grumbles or counterproposals.
∂05-Nov-85 1909 enea!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV Thanks
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From: enea!liuida!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV (Jim Goodwin)
Subject: Thanks
To: Jmc@su-Ai.Arpa
Thanks in advance for the papers on map-coloring. I shall be sending you a
new draft of the Monster Fud, soon I hope.
Jim Goodwin
(PS: This message was slow in coming because my mail system lost and it got
returned. This is a new try to use your mail address.)
PPS: Erik says hi. We had a superbash 40:th birthday party for him recently.
That is, Margareta organized it and all the old gang was there. I felt
positively honored to be included! Hard to believe I have been here 10 years.
jg
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∂05-Nov-85 2200 JMC
badge
∂06-Nov-85 0900 JMC
rpg
∂06-Nov-85 1013 RA John Nafeh, MAD
John called to confirm that he will be here at 11:15 today.
∂06-Nov-85 1253 ALS Pub preservation
To: LES@SU-AI.ARPA, ME@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, JJW@SU-AI.ARPA,
LB@SU-AI.ARPA
Comments on LES's suggestion
Turning PUB into a DVI producing program seems like a rather good idea.
This would add an extra pass to the two passes that PUB now employs but
making PUB itself printer independent is definitely attractive.
The DVI files that PUB would produce should certainly be compatable with
TeX produced DVI files to avoid having to design separate printer-drivers.
This may introduce some complications. TeX gets its font metrics from TFM
files and so it would seem like a good idea to have PUB use TFM files.
TFM files contain all sorts of information that PUB would not need or be
able to use and would have to be waded through.
We would also be faced with the task of generating TFM files for the XGP
files that we will want to save. Presently, my FNT2GF program does not
bother about certain numbers that GF files normally report, a check sum
and the glyph design widths. These would have to be added and made to
agree with the corresponding figures reported by the TFM files.
With more font parameters available to PUB, one might be tempted to extend
PUB a bit and make use of some of this information. I am currently too
ignorant regarding PUB to hazard a guess as to where this might lead.
∂06-Nov-85 1447 LES Pub preservation
To: ALS@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: ME@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, JJW@SU-AI.ARPA, LB@SU-AI.ARPA
[In reply to message rcvd 06-Nov-85 12:53-PT.]
I don't believe that it will be necessary to add another pass to Pub.
Just add the device "DVI" and make it produce DVI files directly.
Might as well retain the ability to produce PRESS files.
Device XGP can go away, of course.
Instead of using TFM files, I suggest that Pub get its font width data
by reading GF files for the highest resolution printer around.
(Minimum energy solution).
∂06-Nov-85 1730 enea!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV re: Thanks
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From: enea!liuida!liuida!jwg@seismo.CSS.GOV (Jim Goodwin)
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Yup, I got it just fine.
Jim Goodwin
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∂08-Nov-85 1648 AMAREL@USC-ISI.ARPA Re: Our Qlisp proposal
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John, I don't think there are any questions about your Qlisp proposal.
I understand from Steve Squires that the project is ON.
Regards, Saul
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∂08-Nov-85 1709 BILLW@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: Are there 1200/150 modems on Sushi.
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No. The only modems on Sushi are 1200/300 ventels. We plan to
add 2400 bps capability, but there aren't any plans to add
1200/150 split speed modems. I beleive that there are some
of these modems on an ethertip at 3220770.
BillW
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∂08-Nov-85 1805 MCCARTHY@SU-SCORE.ARPA mad
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Today, 1985 Nov 8, we discussed my mail forwarder idea and the possibility
of your helping me negotiate a suitable agreement with MAD.
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∂09-Nov-85 1257 GLB
Was this the hard step?
(unlabel simpinfo appendef)
(ue (phi |λu.∀v.rev1(u,v)*w=rev1(u,v*w)|) listinduction (open rev1)
(use appendef mode: always direction: reverse))
;BKPT PDL-OVERFLOW
It can be done `by force':
(label simpinfo appendef)
(assume |∀v.rev1(u,v)*w=rev1(u,v*w)|)
(label l1)
(trw |∀v.rev1(x.u,v)*w=rev1(x.u,v*w)| (open rev1)(use * ue: ((v.|x.v|))
mode: exact))
;∀V.REV1(X.U,V)*W=REV1(X.U,V*W)
;deps: (L1)
(ci l1)
;(∀V.REV1(U,V)*W=REV1(U,V*W))⊃(∀V.REV1(X.U,V)*W=REV1(X.U,V*W))
(ue (phi |λu.∀v.rev1(u,v)*w=rev1(u,v*w)|) listinduction *
(part 1#1(open rev1)))
;∀U V.REV1(U,V)*W=REV1(U,V*W)
∂09-Nov-85 1724 gluck@SU-PSYCH AP
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Querry: How and where do you get what appear to be direct
reports off of the AP wire?
Thanks,
Mark Gluck
∂10-Nov-85 1049 RWW tim
I heard yesterday about the recent arrival.
Congratulations. Yasuko and I are very happy
for you and Carolyn.
Richard
∂10-Nov-85 1414 AI.WOODY@MCC.ARPA
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Congratulations to Carolyn and John!! Timothy Talcott McCarthy is a
beautiful name for what I bet is a special boy.
Best Regards,
Woody and Virginia Bledsoe
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∂10-Nov-85 1454 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Timothy McCarthy
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Congratulations.
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∂10-Nov-85 1602 RPG Congratulations
Timothy's weight seems consistent with how Carolyn looked.
I hope all goes well with Timothy, but I don't look forward
to competing academically with him in 20 years.
-rpg-
∂10-Nov-85 1739 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA congratulations!!!!
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I wish to congratulate you both on your new arrival. My best
wishes to all of you.
-- Mark --
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∂10-Nov-85 1930 GOLUB@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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That's wonderful news John. Congratulations.
GENE
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∂10-Nov-85 2014 rsf@su-pescadero.arpa New arrival
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That's wonderful news. Congratulations!
Ross.
∂10-Nov-85 2234 TOB
John
Congratulations.
Tom
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baby
Carolyn Talcott (McCarthy) and John McCarthy announce the birth
of Timothy Talcott McCarthy on November 9, 1985 at 0022. He
weighed five pounds nine ounces. All are well.
∂10-Nov-85 2246 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Congratulations
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Kids, they certainly are amazing things compared to computers!
∂11-Nov-85 0008 SAMUEL@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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Congratulations!!!
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∂11-Nov-85 0844 MAZZETTI@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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Congradulations! I was thinkin about you, Carolyn and the prospective babe this
weekend. I'm glad to hear all is well.
Cheers,
Claudia
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∂11-Nov-85 0846 SJG reply to message
[In reply to message rcvd 11-Nov-85 04:17-PT.]
Congratulations !!
Matt
∂11-Nov-85 0849 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Happy Event
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John, congratulations to you and Carolyn! Tom R.
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Dear Carolyn and John,
CONGRATULATION (=MAZAL TOV)
Nitza and Zohar
∂11-Nov-85 0913 FAT@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
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CONGRATULATIONS.
Fouad
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∂11-Nov-85 0942 DAHLQUIST@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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My warmest congratulations and best wishes.
germund dahlquist
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∂11-Nov-85 0948 BUCHANAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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Congratulations -- very happy news. Boy, will you notice a change
in your household now.
bgb
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∂11-Nov-85 0954 BUCHANAN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA siglunch talk
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John,
I'll be out of town this Friday -- sorry I will miss your talk.
Could we have lunch to talk about common sense reasoning? Are you
free either Wed or Thurs 11/20, 11/21?
bgb
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∂11-Nov-85 1057 YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA congratulations!
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John, congratulations on your new baby! We're very happy for you.
--Andy and Frances
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∂11-Nov-85 1100 YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Andrew Yao <YAO@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: congratulations!]
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John, congratulations on your new baby! We're very happy for you.
--Andy and Frances
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∂11-Nov-85 1122 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Congratulations!
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I hope you get as much enjoyment from Timothy as we have from our
children!. --t
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∂11-Nov-85 1134 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow at 2:15
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This is a reminder that we will meet tomorrow at 2:15 in Jacks 352. --t
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∂11-Nov-85 1204 elkan@GVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU my visit next quarter
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Subject: my visit next quarter
Dean Alison Casarett of Cornell told me last week that
Dean Karlene Dickey of Stanford has accepted my application to visit
the CS department under the Exchange Scholar Program. My formal
application form should be circulating now at Stanford. Perhaps it has
already come to you for signature.
My family lives in England, and I'm going home on December 9.
I shall fly directly to San Francisco on January 6, and arrive at
Stanford on that day. I hope to arrange somewhere to live in Palo Alto
before December, and I have posted a message to 'bboard@su-score' in
the hope that some CS students need a new apartment mate for January.
Yours, Charles.
∂11-Nov-85 1249 ME congratulations
To: JMC, CLT
Congratulations on your new baby!
∂11-Nov-85 1303 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA TTMC
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Congratulations.
∂11-Nov-85 1312 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
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Next meeting will be on Wednesday, November 13, at 2pm in MJH252.
We will go over my paper "Circumscription in the Blocks World".
Vladimir
∂11-Nov-85 1318 WALDINGER@SRI-AI.ARPA
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congratualations on your baby!
richard
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∂11-Nov-85 1345 SSO.OWICKI@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
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Congratulations!
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∂11-Nov-85 1407 PMF@S1-A.ARPA
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Congratulations.
∂11-Nov-85 1425 SF@SU-CSLI.ARPA
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Fantastic and wonderful! At dinner on Thurs night I wondered once or twice
whether that night wasn't going to be it. We are very happy for you all
and especially for Timothy who is not Cadwallader. After all, Cad. for short?
Love, Anita. I'll see Sol in a couple of hours and tell him then.
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∂11-Nov-85 1430 RA congratulations
Best wishes and MAZAL TOV to you and Carolyn.
Rutie
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∂11-Nov-85 1438 RA Mr. Kavenoky, Frech Atomic Energy Commission
Would like to meet with you Wed. Nov. 13 at 2:00pm. He will meet Binford
in the morning. He will call Wednesday morning to find out whether this is
fine with you.
∂11-Nov-85 1441 RTC Baby
To: CLT, JMC
My congratulations and best wishes for all three of you.
Ross.
∂11-Nov-85 1518 LES Computer Facilities Committee Minutes for Nov. 6
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CC: Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, BScott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
Reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Administrative notes
1. The next meeting has been rescheduled to Tuesday, Nov. 19 at 5:15 PM
in MJH 301 (opposite the elevator).
2. Electronic mail send to "facil@sail" is distributed automatically to
the Committee.
3. The Chair proposes to organize several subcommittees as discussed at
the end of this message. Volunteers are solicited.
4. Statements [in brackets] below are supplementary comments by the Chair
that are not part of the minutes.
LOTS Services
Ralph Gorin reviewed development plans for LOTS, including
(1) a new System Concepts SC30M that runs the TOPS-20 operating system,
(2) the acquisition of a VAX 8600 almost immediately to provide Unix
service and probably another one in a couple of years;
(3) possible use of Network File Service to support distributed file sharing.
Student Access to Unix
There has been substantial flaming on BBoards recently regarding the
alleged need for access to Unix systems by graduate students. There
appear to be at least three ways in which such service could be made
available:
(a) through the LaBrea fileserver,
(b) through the 10 Sun workstations that were purchased with DARPA funds,
(c) by reactivating "old Pescadero" (a VAX 750 that is currently turned off).
LaBrea has recently been made available for unrestricted login, but its
general use for Unix service is incompatible with its planned use as an
archival file server.
The Sun workstations come with Unix and could provide general Unix support
except for one thing: there is no fileserver. Stangely, there is no plan
in place to provide a fileservicer. In effect, these workstations have
been configured in such a way that they support only the V operating
system. There is no accounting on V, so there is no way to determine the
extent of utilization of the Sun workstations so far.
Len Bosack estimates that activating old Pescadero would cost $15-17k
per year for maintenance.
It was the consensus of the committee that CSD should underwrite the cost
of maintaining both the Suns and old Pescadero.
[The Chair will communicate these conclusions to the CSD administration
even though he believes that they were reached too easily, given that
these are redundant solutions to an unmeasured problem and the cost is
rather high. It is one matter to blithely recommend that someone else
spend money to make things better for us. It is another matter to have to
budget limited funds to cover a collection of needs in the best way
available. In other words, the administration may be justified in
rejecting "gimme" requests such as this.]
Departmental Support Needs
Responses to our solicitation of future departmental computer support
needs are being accumulated in SAIL file NEED.MSG[FAC,LES], which is
unprotected. This file can be accessed directly by anyone running on SAIL
or can be FTP'd to the computer of your choice. SAIL does not require
logins or passwords for such transfers.
Just 3 responses have been received so far, which suggests that some
arm-twisting will be needed.
Courtesy Accounts
The Chair reported evidence that policies on computer courtesy accounts
for CSD alumni and others should be updated and administered. For
example, he noted that Ignacio Zabala finished his PhD and returned to
Spain three years ago and has not logged in since, but his SAIL account
remained and he was on distributution lists for electronic mail, which
caused his mail file to become very large. The resultant charges
(recently over $1500 per year) have been paid out of departmental funds.
There are currently about 50 people with such courtesy accounts
who have not logged in during the last year. Some have not logged in
since 1980.
It appears that we need a clearer statement of departmental policies on
courtesy accounts and periodic review of such accounts. As much as
possible, we should develop tools for automatic enforcement or detection
and reporting of abuses.
Accountability
The Chair observed that ownership policies and record-keeping on home
computer terminals that belong to CSD are muddled, with the result that we
have lost track of a number of terminals. Clearer "inheritance" policies
and tighter accountability are needed. The possibility was discussed of
using Stanford's exit controls on students to ensure that terminals are
returned.
Most computer users in the department never see bills for the computer
resources they are using. As a consequence, misunderstandings can go
undetected for long periods. A good way to provide feedback would be to
send individual bills by electronic mail once a month. Such bills should
cover both the amounts expended and the accounts to which they are charged
-- both the account number and name. It would be convenient to be able to
send copies of these electronic bills to supervisors in some cases.
[A similar problem exists on a smaller scale in long distance telephone
charges. While detailed listings are provided to various department
administrators, they are seldom reviewed by the people incurring the
expenses. These bills should be audited at least once in a blue moon.
Given that billing data from the new telephone switch will be processed
on campus, there may be a way to disseminate these data electronically.]
Director of Software
There is interest among several committee members in establishing a new
position called "Director of Software" and recruiting a suitable candidate.
A draft job description by Tom Binford was distributed to the committee
and comments on it were solicited.
The Chair observed that the job description does not treat the critical
question of the relationship between the proposed position and the
existing CSD-CF group. He observed that the proposed list of duties for
this position seem to be valid and important but that they are
indistinguishable from the system planning responsibilities of CSD-CF.
The Chair observed that while the idea that staff augmentation is
needed in the software area is quite plausible, this conclusion should be
derivable from the general plan that we are formulating. Furthermore, we
should normally invite the staff to take the lead in identifying and
filling its supplemental staffing needs.
Committee members are invited to review and comment on this matter by
electronic mail.
Subcommittee Solicitation
[The Chair proposes to organize several ad hoc subcommittees to analyze
specific issues or alternatives and to propose policies that will then be
reviewed by the committee. Volunteers or recommended nominees are
solicited for the following subcommittees.
SUN UNIX - Review alternative ways to provide Unix file service for CSD
Sun workstations (e.g. buy a Sun fileserver, add a controller and disk to
an existing worstation, implement Network File Service on one or more VAX
Unix systems in the department) and recommend one or more solutions.
ARCHIVAL FILE SERVICE - Formulate archival file storage requirements for
the department and identify additions to LaBrea and other major tasks that
must be carried out in order to meet these needs.
COURTESY SERVICES - Review and recommend departmental policies on courtesy
(free) computer accounts of all kinds and recommend software additions or
administrative procedures to curb waste or abuse.
ACCOUNTABILITY - Review accountability problems associated with home
terminals and computer resource billing and recommend policies and
procedures that will ensure that resources are adequately controlled and
that bills are accurate and timely.
5 YEAR PLAN - Review statements of computer facility needs from various
CSD groups and draft a 5-year list of overall requirements for the
Department.]
∂11-Nov-85 1552 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA STAN
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Subject: STAN
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reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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Stan Rosenschein told me today that he has decided NOT to apply
for the robotics position. (He wants to stay at SRI some while
longer to continue the work he is doing there.) Too bad! -Nils
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∂11-Nov-85 2002 coraki!pratt@su-navajo.arpa Timothy
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Congratulations!!!
Vaughan & Margot
∂11-Nov-85 2035 SF@SU-CSLI.ARPA baby
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Subject: baby
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Carolyn, you've produced another important result. And publication
was instantaneous! What great news. Congratulations, and best wishes
to the new little wizard. Sol
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∂11-Nov-85 2249 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa SUN workstation opportunity
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: SUN workstation opportunity
To: csdfacilities@su-pescadero.arpa
The Dean of Engineering has equipment fund (matching funds for teaching
equipment and other uses). Last year I got $20K from EE and $20K from the
Dean and bought 4 SUN workstations, now in my infamous teaching lab.
Dave Ungar (of EE/CIS/CSL) desperately wants to get 15 or so SUN workstations
available for a class using Smalltalk, which he would like to teach next
year. The 4 in the teaching lab plus the 10 in MJH would be adequate except
for two things: Smalltalk needs 4 megabytes of memory for reasonable
performance and the SUN's need better file service.
I was encouraging Dave to hit up the Dean for the money. He has a
commitment from Bob White in EE and friendly noises from the Dean.
However, it is going to stretch the budget and, it is going to look
difficult having only matching funds from EE to upgrade workstations
in this building. I propose that the dept. chuck in $11k for this cause
plus take on providing file service for those workstations. The rough
budget would then be:
14 2 Meg extension boards @ $2100 each $29.4K
1 SUN 3/160 File server $42.0K
Total $71.4K
The memory upgrade would cover 4 machines in teaching lab plus 10 in MJH.
The memory upgrade is required for Smalltalk (then running about 1/2 speed
of Smalltalk on a Dorado) but would be of great benefit for running other
large programs, Lisp, etc. In fact, rumors I hear claim that the next
version of Unix out of SMI will almost require 4 meg. to run well.
Contributions
CSD 11K
EE 25K
Dean 36K
Note: the Dean only likes to match and he never goes more than 50/50,
so I'm told.
I am presuming we will charge ahead with our plan of providing file service
for these machines, and can argue we are making a higher contribution
(compared to EE) by this file service.
The catch is: the deadline for submissions is today (Nov. 11th).
We have a few days extension but need to move. So, ...
Would the facilities committee be willing to recommend to Nils to
commit $11K to this proposal? Any objections? I talked to him briefly
and he seemed agreeable if the committee would go for same.
I think we should look on this as an opportunity to double our money
for the SUNs. If there are detailed concerns, we can deal with those
after we get the money or while waiting for same. Clearly it would be
nice to have our future plans better formulated and know how the SUNs
fit in. However, we have the equipment and here's an opportunity to
extend their use.
Finally, with respect to Les's last message, let me correct.
The 10 SUN workstations we bought last year cost $100K.
$70K came from Stauffer gift funds given to the dept for support of
teaching/instructional equipment, $15K from Dean of H&S and $15K from
ACIS (Yundt), believe it or not. No DARPA money spent there.
(Sorry for not getting this together sooner.)
∂11-Nov-85 2306 LLW@S1-A.ARPA Congratulations!
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Subject: Congratulations!
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CC: LLW@S1-A.ARPA
∂10-Nov-85 1316 JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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From: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
To: "@BABY.DIS[F85,JMC]"@SU-AI.ARPA
baby[f85,jmc] Announcement of Timothy aka Cadwallader
Carolyn Talcott (McCarthy) and John McCarthy announce the birth
of Timothy Talcott McCarthy on November 9, 1985 at 0022. He
weighed five pounds nine ounces. All are well.
[John: Congratulations to both you and Carolyn!!! Lowell]
∂12-Nov-85 0800 JMC
Novak,stool,treadmill
∂12-Nov-85 1112 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: SUN workstation opportunity
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From: T. C. Rindfleisch <Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: SUN workstation opportunity
To: cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA, csdfacilities@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
Cc: Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>" of Mon 11 Nov 85 22:51:41-PST
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David, faced with the short fuse to respond, I would vote to commit $11K of
CSD money for the SUN's. I think they will be useful in any long term plan
we end up developing.
By the way, a contact in the Dean's office says that proposals requesting 37.5%
contribution from the Dean are almost sure to be funded whereas 50:50 deals are
subject to more discussion. I'm new to Engineering and don't know how
priorities are allocated beyond that.
Tom R.
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∂12-Nov-85 1208 RA overdue book
John,
Is this a book I took out for you?
Thanks,
Rutie
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Subject: overdue book
To: ra@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: library@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12158444165.30.LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
STANFORD UNIVERSITY
MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCES LIBRARY
LIBRARY@SCORE
497-4672
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DATE: 11/11/85
CALL#: TK7868.D5.J64 1984
AUTHOR: Johnson, S.
TITLE: Synthesis of didgital designs from recursive equations.
The above publication was overdue on 4/22/85.
Renewable in person only w/item.
If we do not hear from you by 12/4/85 we will proceed with a replacement bill.
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∂12-Nov-85 1432 JMC
Eric Marti
∂12-Nov-85 1436 JJW Printing files from 3600s on Boise
To: JDM@SU-AI.ARPA, RJT@SU-AI.ARPA, VS@SU-AI.ARPA, SJG@SU-AI.ARPA,
FY@SU-AI.ARPA, EXM@SU-AI.ARPA, RTC@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA,
LES@SU-AI.ARPA
To print files from a 3600 on Boise, put the following in your init file:
(load "C:>weening>boise.bin")
(si:set-default-hardcopy-device "Boise")
You can than use any of the 3600's ways of printing hardcopy, (text only,
no screen output), except that the landscape mode option doesn't work. If
you find any bugs, please tell me. This code will be put into the standard
world load once it is stable.
Please forward this to anyone I've missed who uses the MJH Lisp Machines.
Tell me who those people are, also, because I'd like to put together a
mailing list of Lisp Machine users for messages such as this.
∂12-Nov-85 1446 JMC ekl proofs
1.1,1.2,2.1,4.1 due tues. nov 26
∂12-Nov-85 1555 LES re: SUN workstation opportunity
To: cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
CC: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
[In reply to message sent Mon, 11 Nov 85 22:51:50 pst.]
David:
Given that you think you have the answer to one of the questions posed for
the Sun Unix subcommittee, may I assume that you are volunteering for duty
there? I note that another question to be considered is, ``Should Network
File Service be generally adopted?'' If so, on which machines and who
should do the necessary development or acquisition and installation?
With respect to the proposal to make Sun workstations available for class use:
1. Specifically, which 10 machines from MJH would be upgraded and made
available?
2. Where would these workstations be placed so as to make them accessible
for class use?
3. What would be the duration of our obligation to support these classes?
4. Who will own the fileserver after the dust settles?
5. Who will pay for maintenance?
6. Howcum this proposal surfaced so suddenly with an instant deadline?
I gather that you are not talking about using the Suns that were bought
with DARPA money -- there were six such machines purchased early this
year. While two of these have small internal disks that allow them to run
Unix, the other four have no fileserver and so can run only V. Thus,
there is still a question about whether a fileserver should be acquired
for these workstations (I believe that a single fileserver can't support
that many diskless workstations adequately).
∂12-Nov-85 1615 VAL Mott's paper
He has two proposals:
1. In the circumscription schema, require that the wffs substituted for the
minimized predicate P have no occurences of P. He proves that circumscription
restricted in this way cannot be inconsistent.
2. Replace circumscription by something he calls "simple circumscription".
Comments:
1. It is true that in usual applications we only substitute wffs which don't
contain P, and his observation that this cannot be the case when we prove the
inconsistency of a circumscription is interesting. But Mott's restriction on
the circumscription schema doesn't seem to have a clear semantics, so I don't
like the idea of incorporating it in the definition.
2. "Simple circumscription" doesn't involve any minimization, so it's
unlikely that it would work in applications.
Final remark: Mott apparently didn't notice in the Etherington-Mercer-Reiter
paper that circumscription is consistent for universal formulas.
∂12-Nov-85 1718 VAL inviting Reiter
Ray Reiter has been doing very interesting work on applications of non-monotonic
reasoning to diagnosis. It would be great to invite him to give a seminar, if
we have money for that. What do you think?
∂12-Nov-85 1752 SJG 1985 DAI Workshop application deadline has passed
To: "@DAIX.DIS[1,SJG]"@SU-AI.ARPA
Just a note to remind you that the deadline for the DAI workshop
has passed. If you get this message, that means I didn't get any
money from you (and probably no paper either). If that's not what
you wanted, I suggest you get in touch with me as soon as possible,
if not earlier.
Thanks.
Matt Ginsberg
∂12-Nov-85 1855 JK timothy talcott mccarthy
To: CLT, JMC
congratulations!
∂12-Nov-85 2313 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Good news
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Subject: Good news
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Dear Carolyn and John:
I remember you told us that you were expecting a baby in November.
Guang and I are looking forward to hearing the good news from you.
I have been in University of Pennsylvania for more than two months
and everything is going on fine. However, I miss Stanford very much.
A good news I would like to inform you is that Dr.Ruzena Bajcsy
becomes the new Chair of the Department of Computer and Information
Science here. I pass the memorandum from Dean Bordogna on below.
Best regards!
----Victor
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I am happy to announce the appointment of Professor Ruzena Bajcsy as
Chair of the Department of Computer and Information Science (CIS),
effective as of today.
As you know, CIS at Penn is prospering and providing intellectual links to
many disciplines other than its own. With your support, Ruzena can help
carry all of us to the future with even greater excitement.
Concurrent with this appointment, Professor Aravind Joshi will leave the
Departmental Chair to devote full energy to his activities as the Henry
Salvatori Professor of Computer and Cognitive Sciences. Aravind has
spent the last 11 years of his career leading the CIS department into
its present outstanding state. We owe him a great debt of gratitude
for this significant investment of his career on our behalf.
∂13-Nov-85 0107 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA "militant moralism"
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: "militant moralism"
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Postal-Address: 1802 Hackett Ave.; Mountain View, CA 94043-4431
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
Message-ID: <12158862659.22.CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
There is absolutely NO moralism about my messages regarding public
smoking. My wife was hit with a serious asthmatic attack as a result of
that smoke. It's damned callous of you to equate my wife's frantic gasping
for breath with some moral sensibilities.
Any activity which causes physical harm has left the realm of a moral
issue.
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∂13-Nov-85 0749 MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Baby Born
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Congrats!!!
Jim
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∂13-Nov-85 0918 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA hurray for you
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From: Joan Feigenbaum <JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: hurray for you
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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I am a non-smoker, and I agree completely with your recent bboard message
about militant moralism. The anti-smokers have gone way off the deep end.
Joan
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∂13-Nov-85 1017 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa re: SUN workstation opportunity
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
Subject: re: SUN workstation opportunity
To: LES@Sail, cheriton@SU-PESCADERO.ARPA
Cc: facil@Sail
Yes, I'll volunteer for the SUN workstations subcommittee. I should carry
thru with the plan for these machines.
Answers to your questions:
1. the 10 machines mentioned at the ones bought with gitf/dean funds.
2. we may have to reclaim some of these machines from grad students desks
but several at still quite public.
3. This class would be for one quarter, other classes could still use the
machines, during and afterwards.
4. File server, as with entire teaching lab would be a joint EE/CS venture.
5. Maintenance for teaching lab stuff is covered in part by CS/EE plus
currently some help from DEC (for 750 and VSII's). Linvill is working
on a general maintenance plan for instructional computing for EE and
SOE, as I understand.
6. Proposal surfaced so late because I was thinking properly. I was coaching
Dave Ungar on doing the proposal, with the idea of simply buying 4
new workstations for the lab. He has the EE matching funds commitment.
However, we met on Monday and he had concluded that the best option was to
memory update a bunch of existing machines rather than buy some new ones.
(except for file server). Since 10 of those machines belong to CSD,
seemed like CSD should both agree to have this happen as well as contribute.
Also, the money required for Dave's plan was more than we had talked about
previously.
I think we need to can come up with a reasonable solution to file service.
And certainly, 10 workstations wont present a problem for one SUN-based
file server.
∂13-Nov-85 1115 RA Yuri Gurevich
Do you know yet how long you are going to stay in Ann Arbor? Yuri would
like to have you meet some people and give a party in your honor and he
would rather not wait till the last minute. Please let me know and I will call him.
If you want to call him his tel. at work is (313) 763 4526 and at home
(313) 971 2652.
∂13-Nov-85 1207 RA
John,
Mr. Kavenoky called again today and wanted to know whether you will be
able to meet with him. Please let me know. He will call again.
Thanks.
∂11-Nov-85 1438 RA Mr. Kavenoky, Frech Atomic Energy Commission
To: JMC
Would like to meet with you Wed. Nov. 13 at 2:00pm. He will meet Binford
in the morning. He will call Wednesday morning to find out whether this is
fine with you.
∂13-Nov-85 1340 RA leaving
I will be back by 3:00.
∂13-Nov-85 1417 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: noise and smoking
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: noise and smoking
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboards@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Wed 13 Nov 85 10:52:00-PST
I agree with JMC. I am very much bothered by noise (including what to others
may be "music", or even music that I like, when played very loud) and
avoid restaurants that are loud. This also eliminates most bars.
The Coffee House is particularly bad-it's so loud most of the time that
I won't sit there at all, and find even waiting on line unpleasant.
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∂13-Nov-85 1503 QUEENIE@SU-SCORE.ARPA LOTS Birthday party
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From: Queenette Baur <QUEENIE@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: LOTS Birthday party
To: mccarthy@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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John,
We've changed the time from 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM. Hope to see you Friday.
Best Wishes,
Queenie
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∂13-Nov-85 1526 JDLH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Espresso (quietly)
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From: Jim DeLaHunt <JDLH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Espresso (quietly)
To: su-bboards@SU-SUSHI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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The Tresidder Coffee House is no longer the only place on campus to get
espresso. The student-run Espresso Bar in Bechtel I-center is open every
Friday and Saturday night, has tremendous espresso, and has a wonderful
atmosphere. There are no specific non-smoking or non-music areas that I
could see last Saturday, but the rooms sprawl enough that you can find a place
with just the right amount of each. Everyone -- go on over and try it!
You no longer need to support Tresidder's "White Plaza Shopping Center"!
--Jim DeLaHunt JDLH @ Sushi
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∂13-Nov-85 1610 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
SOME RESULTS ON AUTOEPISTEMIC LOGIC
Wiktor Marek
University of Kentucky
2:00 PM, WEDNESDAY, November 20
MJH 252
We discuss some properties of so-called stable theories in
autoepistemic logic (cf Moore, AIJ 25 (1985)), that is, sets of beliefs of
a fully rational agent. We show an operator constructing these theories out
of their objective parts and investigate the complexity of the construction.
We attempt to extend Moore's approach to the case of predicate logic.
Finally, we discuss the notion of inessential modal extension of a first
order theory.
∂13-Nov-85 1651 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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From: HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
To: jmc@su-ai
John, I'm sorry I didn't answer your note earlier. I just got back from
a few days at Yorktown. Congratulations to both you and Carolyn! As
far as sending mail to Yorktown, whatever worked before should still work
now. We're on ARPA now, and I think that mail to Yorktown on CSNET was
routed through us; probably ARPA mail is too. For example, Ashok Chandra
is ashok at yktvmv on BITNET, which should become ashok.yktvmv at ibm or
ashok.yktvmv at ibm-sj on either ARPA or CSNET. Another ARPA address
that should work is ashok%yktvmv.bitnet at wiscvm (that gets it to
Wisconsin via ARPA, and then transfers it to Yorktown on Bitnet).
Hope that helps. -- Joe
∂13-Nov-85 1714 RPG Except
My original note was supposed to be funny. I don't care about noise
either, because, like the tires, I can use my 100 watt Marshall
amplifier and guitar to deafen anyone who offends me.
Actually, a reasonably separate non-smoking section and a reasonably
quiet section is nice for a restaurant. If some restaurant doesn't have
a non-smoking section, I go somewhere else. I object when some place
claims a non-smoking section and smokers light up in it. Usually
when I ask to be moved, I am accommodated, even to the extent that
they open up a closed or banquet section.
I've never had any problems anywhere west of the Mississippi with
non-smoking sections.
∂13-Nov-85 1925 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: noise and smoking
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: noise and smoking
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I find the noise in the Coffee House distracting as well, even though
I nominally like much of the music (e.g. Grateful Dead) they play. I
suspect the Coffee House (like many bars) feels that the music isn't
loud enough if you can hold a conversation without shouting.
It's less clear to me what to do about noise in restaurants than music.
However, one can argue that unlike smoke you can reasonably escape noise
in restaurants without seriously limiting your choice of where to eat.
Restaurants with loud music tend to be in a certain category, while
smokey restaurants span the entire range from the grimiest to the finest.
-- Mark --
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∂14-Nov-85 0505 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: Good news
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Congratulations!
Best wishes to your newborn son!
∂14-Nov-85 0942 RA keys
I put two suite-master keys on your desk, one for you, one for Carolyn.
∂14-Nov-85 1044 VAL help!
I just received a referee's report from the AI Journal written in German. Do
you read German or know anybody around here who does?
∂14-Nov-85 1207 RA CS 306 assignments
Bob Givan wanted to know what your policy is regarding students doing
their homework together. He had a case where two students turned in
a print out of the same file. Did you tell the students that this would
be ok? Please let me know, or mail a message to Bob, givan@sushi.
Thanks.
∂14-Nov-85 1336 RA Bill Kritlow
Bill Kritlow from Cray Research would like to talk to you about object oriented
languages. His no. (714) 960 7611
∂14-Nov-85 1610 LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA planlunch next quarter
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From: LANSKY@SRI-AI.ARPA
Subject: planlunch next quarter
To: kaelbling@SRI-AI.ARPA, carnese@SRI-KL.ARPA, tw@SU-AI.ARPA,
de2smith@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, pollack@SRI-AI.ARPA, subramanian@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
sjg@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, bratman@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
ladkin@KESTREL.ARPA, dmrussell@XEROX.ARPA, stickel@SRI-AI.ARPA
cc: lansky@SRI-AI.ARPA, appelt@SRI-AI.ARPA, georgeff@SRI-AI.ARPA
I am sending this message to all of you because you are on my list of
"prospective planlunch givers." Some of you have already quasi-committed
to giving a planlunch, some of you I have just thought of on my own.
If you (or anyone you know) want to give a seminar next quarter
(i.e. January or thereafter) let me know.
So, everybody who does want to talk (even those of you who have
already given a commitment to me) please respond with the following info:
*Name
*Preferable Date/Time period
(normally, planlunch is on Mondays at 11, but this can be changed
for your particular case)
*Optional: topic of talk (1 sentence or less).
Thanks for your help!
-Amy (Lansky)
p.s. and don't forget, send me names of other people you think would like
to be "solicited" !!
p.p.s. The seminar will restart on either: Jan 6 or Jan 20.
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∂14-Nov-85 2024 S.STEUBER@LOTS-C enrollment in CS306
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From: Tom Steuber <S.Steuber@LOTS-C>
Subject: enrollment in CS306
To: jmc@SAIL
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Professor McCarthy -
Since I know that you are at least as comfortable with electronic
mail as with physical mail, I thought it might be more convenient for
you if I sent this electronically. The following is a list of all the
people who are receiving allocation for your course CS306. I've also
sent a copy of this list through University mail.
Could you please take a few moments to look over this list and
check off the people who are not enrolled in the class. If there are
people who are enrolled in the class, but are not on the list, please
add them to the end.
We would really appreciate it if you could return this list as
soon as possible so that we can make our enrollment information
accurate.
Tom Steuber
LOTS Faculty Liaison
Auburn, Mark Allen (A.AUBURN)
Bertrand, Leonard (L.LB)
Bronstein, Alex (S.SALUT)
Brugge, John Arthur (B.BRUGGE)
Bury, Robert J. (B.BURY)
Clarke, Laurence R (C.CTHULHU)
Darken, Kathleen A. (D.DARKEN)
Duran, Raul Anthony (D.DURAN)
Eusebi, Edward (E.EUSEBI)
Eusebi, Edward Victor (E.EUSEBIO)
Fisher, Kevin Dean (I.ILLINI)
Flamand, Caroline (F.FLAMAND)
Garvey, Alan James (G.GARVEY)
Ginn, Michael Raymond (T.TYREX)
Gleason, Thomas D (S.SIMRAN)
Gray, Jamison Richard (J.JGRAY)
Gunning, David Richard (G.GUN)
Hankins, Douglas Vernon (H.HANKINS)
Hartman, Wayne Ellis,, Jr (W.WEH)
Hirano, Masao (M.M21)
Ishii, Kosuke (K.KOSUKE)
Johnson, Morris Vaughan,,Jr (M.MVJ)
Jones, Harvey R (S.SNOW)
Kay, Herb (S.SBERT)
Kim, Choon Shik (K.KCHOON)
Kobrin, Alan (B.BRINKO)
Kosoresow, Andrew Peter (K.KOS)
Lee, Arthur Heewoong (A.ALEE)
Lee, Sammie (S.SLEE)
Lee, Fung Fung (L.LEE)
LEE, YI-CHIN (L.LEEY)
Lee, Elgin Hoesing (P.PAVANE)
Leserman, David H. (L.LESERMAN)
Leu, Keh-Shiou (L.LEU)
Madhav, Neel (N.NEEL-MADHAV)
Marks, Stuart Warren (S.S-MARKS)
Mehta, Abhay (M.MEHTA)
Mellgren, Dag Ossian (M.MELLGREN)
Miller, Molly McCracken (M.MCCRACKEN)
Milligan, Charles Hiram (C.CMILLIGAN)
Minami, Masafumi (M.MASA)
Muller, Jeffrey George (M.MULLER)
Myers, Karen Louise (K.KLMYERS)
Nguyen, Tin Anh (T.TIN)
Norman, Susan Mary (S.SDNORMAN)
Porter, Mark (T.TRILOGY)
Reus, Edward Francis (R.REUS)
Ross, Craig (R.ROSSLLNL)
Schulman, Robert Milton (B.BOBE)
Schulz, James Richard (J.JSCHULZ)
Sillion, Florence Helene (F.FLO)
Silverstein, Glenn Evan (S.SILVERSTEIN)
Srivastava, Krishna J (K.K28956466)
Stottler, Richard Husted (S.STOTTLER)
Swenson, Marcy Christine (S.SWENSON)
Tolat, Viral Vipin (T.TOLAT)
Tom, Mark (O.OINK)
Tom, Stephen (S.STOM)
Tracy, Kim Wayne (K.KTRACY)
Tseng, William Patrick (T.TSENG)
Watson, Kennita Lane (K.KLW)
Williamson, Carey Lee (W.WILLIAMSON)
Wytmar, Richard (W.WYTMAR)
Yang, Samuel (S.SYANG)
Young, Karl Bennion (K.KARLB)
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∂14-Nov-85 2033 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: smoking and militant moralism
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From: Abraham Kohen <KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: smoking and militant moralism
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Wed 13 Nov 85 10:04:00-PST
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Suppose I was stupid enough to walk around in public with a small
cigarette-shaped Pu (plutonium) rod wedged between my lips.
Should I be allowed to do this in public ? In crowded areas ?
Pu has two distinctive characteristics that make it hazardous:
toxicity ,and radioactivity.
As any scientist knows, the greater danger of Pu exposure is
due to toxicity and not radioactivity. Hence ingestion of Pu will have a
first-order effect on killing me. So my lips ( and later on the rest of
me ) will burn while the crowd around me may not immediately notice the
second-order effect of radioactive exposure. Surely no one will complain about
the smell, noise or other sensory perception of my Pu cigarette.
Some will be oblivious to my Pu cigarette. But all will have been
exposed to the lingering and/or latent effects of being (passively) exposed to
my cigarette.
Few people, if any, including the ACLU, will argue in favor of my right
to wedge a cigarette-shaped plutonium rod between my lips. Why, of course, it's
dangerous to all. But, the radioactivity effect falls off with distance. Surely
an area ought to be provided to stupid people like myself to enjoy a plutonium
rod. Every restaurant should provide 50% (heh, heh, maybe more) of its space
for us Pu reefers.
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
No, I don't think that cigarettes are AS dangerous as Plutonium. But
there are some MUCH LESS toxic and much less radioactive isotopes which
exhibit latent carcinogenic effects similar to active/passive cigarette
smoking.
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∂14-Nov-85 2034 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Smoking - A satirical analogy
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From: Abraham Kohen <KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Smoking - A satirical analogy
To: bboard@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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Suppose I was stupid enough to walk around in public with a small
cigarette-shaped Pu (plutonium) rod wedged between my lips.
Should I be allowed to do this in public ? In crowded areas ?
Pu has two distinctive characteristics that make it hazardous:
toxicity ,and radioactivity.
As any scientist knows, the greater danger of Pu exposure is
due to toxicity and not radioactivity. Hence ingestion of Pu will have a
first-order effect on killing me. So my lips ( and later on the rest of
me ) will burn while the crowd around me may not immediately notice the
second-order effect of radioactive exposure. Surely no one will complain about
the smell, noise or other sensory perception of my Pu cigarette.
Some will be oblivious to my Pu cigarette. But all will have been
exposed to the lingering and/or latent effects of being (passively) exposed to
my cigarette.
Few people, if any, including the ACLU, will argue in favor of my right
to wedge a cigarette-shaped plutonium rod between my lips. Why, of course, it's
dangerous to all. But, the radioactivity effect falls off with distance. Surely
an area ought to be provided to stupid people like myself to enjoy a plutonium
rod. Every restaurant should provide 50% (heh, heh, maybe more) of its space
for us Pu reefers.
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
No, I don't think that cigarettes are AS dangerous as Plutonium. But
there are some MUCH LESS toxic and much less radioactive isotopes which
exhibit latent carcinogenic effects similar to active/passive cigarette
smoking.
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∂15-Nov-85 0010 kuo%UPenn-GradEd%upenn.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Congratulations
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Subject: Congratulations
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Congratulations!
Best wishes to your newborn son!
--Guang & Victor
∂15-Nov-85 0817 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search Committee
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Robotics Search Committee
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Reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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There will be a Robotics Search Committee Meeting today (Nov. 15) at
4:30 in MJH 220.
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∂15-Nov-85 1118 RA Carolyn
Please call Carolyn at home.
Thanks.
∂15-Nov-85 1533 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA siglunch
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Subject: siglunch
John, I got the notice of your siglunch at 1.30 on Friday. Can you
give me some idea ( written, or over lunch or something ) what your
examples needing strong formalisms are? And what do you mean, 'strong'?
If there is anything like a writeup of the talk I would be very grateful for the
chance to look at it.
Pat
∂15-Nov-85 1553 RA trip to LA
You are confirmed for Wed. flights, PSA #202, 8:30-9:33, and back PSA #229,
6:05pm-7:04.
∂15-Nov-85 1636 ME sprite
∂13-Nov-85 2058 JMC
How about deleting Sprite from bboards? It isn't receiving mail.
ME - It seems to be working now.
∂15-Nov-85 1638 RA reminder
There will be a Robotics Search Committee Meeting today (Nov. 15) at
4:30 in MJH 220.
∂15-Nov-85 1702 LES CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
To: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
Given that Cheriton's Sun scam looked plausible and no naysayers spoke up,
I conveyed the Committee's rather passive concurrence to Nils Nilsson, who
then approved the expenditure.
I have been underwhelmed by volunteers for the proposed subcommittees.
If you don't get involved you have only yourself to blame when things
get screwed up.
A message from Nils regarding the possible transfer of the APS typesetter
is attached. We will need to look into the financial prospects for this
idea, primarily the probable payoff period.
Also attached is a draft policy for courtesy computer accounts. Please
review it and send me your grumbles. If all goes well, I will seek its
approval at the next meeting.
Reminder: the next meeting is on Tuesday, Nov. 19 at 5:15 PM in MJH 301
(opposite the elevator).
Les Earnest
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∂14-Nov-85 1746 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [John Perry <JOHN@SU-CSLI.ARPA>: APS]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: [John Perry <JOHN@SU-CSLI.ARPA>: APS]
To: bscott@SU-SCORE.ARPA, bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA, les@SU-AI.ARPA, dek@SU-AI.ARPA
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What do we think about this?
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From: John Perry <JOHN@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: APS
To: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Dear Nils,
Here is my understanding of the situation regarding the APS, and
my proposal, if that understanding is correct, or nearly correct, or
vaguely in the ballpark:
Understanding:
1. Knuth owns an APS printer which Dikran has been using for
CSLI work and also helping Knuth operate;
2. Knuth wants to sell the APS for 35-40K to raise operating funds.
3. CS is willing but not anxious to buy it and operate it.
Proposal:
1. CS buys the APS and leases it to us for the yearly maintenance
cost and reduced fees for usage.
2. We manage and operate the APS.
Comment:
CS still has to buy it, but at least it doesn't have to operate it and
pay maintenance. We have a lot of publishing to do over the next
three to four years and the described arrangement would be very
convenient for us.
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Courtesy Computer Accounts
Background
During the 22 years in which CSD has had its own computer facilities,
courtesy accounts have been extended to many outside users, often with
little serious justification. In fact, limited public access to SAIL and
certain other machines was permitted for people without *any* account up to
the early '70s. While the use of computer resources by guests sometimes
inconvenienced other users a bit, this permissiveness resulted in no
direct economic losses to the research programs or the department until
recently. Given that some of the department's computer facilities now run
as cost centers, courtesy accounts on these machines now consume some of
our limited and precious unrestricted funds.
The use of some courtesy accounts has persisted long past anyone's memory
of why they were created. There is also evidence of substantial waste and
abuse in the use of some accounts. It seems desireable to continue to
offer courtesy accounts, but we should ensure that the financial burden
does not become excessive and that the resources devoted to this activity
benefit the department. Toward this end, we need a clear policy and
administrative enforcement.
Current Use and Abuse
Review of recent billings (May through August 1985) reveals that the
department has been paying for some 93 courtesy accounts which cost about
$18,000 per year. These charges have been much larger than necessary for
five main reasons:
(1) inactive accounts have not been purged;
(2) some hyperactive accounts have incurred inappropriately large charges;
(3) some courtesy users have been running on SCORE, which is a cost center,
when they could have been on SUSHI, which is not;
(4) once someone gets a courtesy account, there has been no systematic
record-keeping of why the account was set up nor any review of the
appropriateness of continuing it,
(5) the existing accounting system does not tell how much is being spent
on courtesy accounts.
The staff has done its best to cope with these problems but has been
hampered by a lack of clear policies. Working on point (3), for example,
the courtesy accounts of outside users on SCORE were shifted to SUSHI late
last summer and the accounts of Masters students will be shifted to SUSHI
soon. Though a partial purge was conducted this summer, there still
appear to be a number of people who have these accounts for no good reason.
37 courtesy accounts with no logins in 1985 have been incurring charges at
a rate over $5,000 per year. Some of these accounts have not been used
since 1980. Nevertheless, some are on distribution lists that cause their
mail files to keep growing.
Ignacio Zabala's account is a rather horrendous example. He received
his PhD three years ago, returned to Spain and has not logged in since.
In this time his mail file grew to the point where he alone has been
accounting for over $2000 a year in disk charges. (This account was
purged in early November at my request.)
It seems sensible to purge accounts that have been inactive for a long
time -- say, one year.
Of the courtesy accounts that are active, some are incurring very large
charge -- one person is currently running at a rate over $2000 per year,
another is just over $1000 and another 5 are each costing the department
over $500 a year. While Score software enforces account limitations,
SAIL does not. If we enforced a limit of, say, $120 per year per courtesy
account, we would save about $9,000 annually.
One of the reasons that the problems cited above were not noticed was that
the accounting system does not yield cost information on courtesy accounts
as a separate category -- these charges are intermixed with those of all
other users who are charged to the CSD Gift Account. In order to get the
data above it was necessary to extract records from detailed account
listings based on a line-by-line search, then total them separately.
Even if we set up a review procedure for courtesy accounts, there will
likely still be some abuses; e.g. some accounts may be "inherited" by
unauthorized users. One way in which this happens is when someone
expresses an interest in having access to computers at Stanford to someone
with a courtesy account and that person says, "Oh, I have a free account
there that I don't use it much, so you can use it." We do not propose to
expend effort on preventing this kind of abuse, but it should be dealt
with if evidence appears fortuitously.
It appears, then, that by adopting a few simple measures, the cost of
courtesy accounts can be reduced from $18,000 per year to $4,000 or less
while retaining the principal benefits of the existing program.
Recommendations
1. A policy such as the one given below should be adopted by the Department.
After adoption, all existing courtesy accounts should be reviewed for
consistency with the policy and exceptions should be dropped, with adequate
notice to the users.
2. The cost center accounting system should be modified to give separate
listings and totals on "subaccounts" -- subclasses of users who are
charged to the same University account. This will facilitate periodic
review of the costs of courtesy accounts and other user subgroups.
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Policy on Courtesy Computer Accounts
PURPOSES. It is the policy of CSD to provide limited access to
departmental computer resources at no cost to former students who have
received PhDs and to certain others with close ties to the department.
The purpose of this access is to facilitate communication with department
members and to provide access to information resources at Stanford. The
departmental purpose is to stimulate exchanges of information with outside
members of computer research and teaching communities and to engender
goodwill.
INITIATION. Departing CSD students, faculty, and staff members will
normally be granted a grace period of up to 90 days to move or purge their
computer files if they request it in advance. Otherwise, files will be
purged on termination.
Ongoing courtesy accounts will be initiated on request for any person who
has received a PhD in Computer Science from Stanford. Only one such
account will be granted to a given individual and it will be on a no-charge
computer where practical. On cost center machines, charges shall not
exceed $10 per month when the account is covered by Departmental
unrestricted funds.
Others may be granted courtesy accounts upon approval by a principal
investigator or other person with account signature authority. Courtesy
accounts that are to be charged against Departmental unrestricted funds
shall be approved by the Department Chairman.
Courtesy account users shall be informed that the account is for their
personal use and should not be made available to others. They shall
also be informed of any cost or other constraints on the use of the
account.
RECORDS AND REVIEW. For each courtesy account, whether it involves direct
charges or not, a record shall be kept of why the account was set up, who
approved it, and the termination date or conditions, if any. Principal
Investigators and the Department Chairman shall establish procedures for
periodically reviewing courtesy accounts to ensure that the cost is
consistent with its purpose and that it is terminated when no longer
appropriate. Where possible, charge or resource constraints shall be
enforced automatically. Otherwise, accounts shall be reviewed by someone
monthly and appropriate action shall be taken to curb any abuses.
Accounts that are supported with departmental funds that have not been
used for a year shall be purged whether or not there are direct charges
involved.
∂15-Nov-85 1857 DEK Timothy TM
Congratulations! (I thought Carolyn had been gaining a little weight...)
∂16-Nov-85 0800 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Panel "Opportunity"
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Subject: Panel "Opportunity"
To: ginsber@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, clancey@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA,
Genesereth@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, TW@SU-AI.ARPA, JMC@SU-AI.ARPA,
Rosenbloom@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, TOB@SU-AI.ARPA,
Shortliffe@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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The Stanford Center for Integrated Systems is having a "Workshop on
Intellectual Issues in Integrated Systems Research" on Wednesday (next
Wednesday!), Nov 20 at Xerox Parc Auditorium. I have allowed myself
to be persuaded to talk informally for 20 minutes about "AI." John
Linvill would like to follow my talk with a panel discussion and
audience questions for another 20 minutes. (Through a bit of a
"slip-up" I haven't yet organized a panel. John thought I was
organizing it; I thought he was.) I know it's late notice, but would
anyone out there care to participate? (Panel members get to attend
the entire workshop and also a lunch if they would like to.) The
AI panel, including my talk, is from 1:40 to 2:20--at the Xerox Parc
Auditorium. Here is a fine opportunity to strike a blow for "intellectual
issues!" Please let me know by Monday, Nov. 18 if you can see your
way clear to participating. Thanks, -Nils
ps. Please feel free to forward this msg to anyone who might be
appropriate
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∂16-Nov-85 0809 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Coffee Pool Situation
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From: Joan Feigenbaum <JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Coffee Pool Situation
To: coffee-drinkers: ;
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The Coffee Pool has two problems to deal with:
1) It is now mid-November and we have no money left from the November dues.
This is the earliest we have run out so far. I don't know how much of a
subsidy the Department is willing to kick in, but I see no reason to push it.
More people than usual have not paid any money this month. How about it, folks?
2) More importantly, Frank will not be able to bring the coffee any more.
We need a main pick-up person. Ideally, this should be someone who is
``into'' coffee, lives in Menlo Park, and knows the meaning of the word
``responsibility''. Anybody out there fit the bill?
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∂16-Nov-85 0900 JMC
Akins
∂17-Nov-85 0207 reid@glacier Mosher case
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From: Brian Reid <reid@glacier>
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Subject: Mosher case
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Organization: Stanford University, Computer Systems Lab
This is not public information; please do not forward to BBoard. It is an
argument, based on informal evidence, that the University was correct in the
Mosher case, though perhaps by accident.
A close friend of mine, Frank Hawke, was a Stanford Ph.D. student in
Political Science. He went to China in 1978 as part of a Stanford
delegation, and stayed on to teach Capitalist Economics at Peking
University. In 1981 he married a Chinese woman, and came back to the U.S.,
bringing her with him. I had just moved to Palo Alto and bought a house. I
was having trouble making the mortgage payments. I rented out the second
floor of my house to Frank and his wife. When I say "rented out our second
floor", I mean that we shared a kitchen and a bathroom, and we had meals
together every day. I spent a lot of time talking to Frank.
Frank took a job working for a Burlingame-based import-export company called
"Unison", and as part of this job he travelled back and forth between Palo
Alto and Peking. He speaks fluent Chinese. His job was (and still is) to
promote American-made industrial products in the Chinese market.
Frank's wife lived in our house for 2.5 years, while Frank shuttled back and
forth between Palo Alto and Peking. Typically he spent 4 weeks here, then 4
weeks there, etc.
About a year before the Mosher case was publicized, Frank came back from
Peking very upset about Mosher. Frank had known Mosher from his student
days, and as seems to be the case with Americans in China, Frank and Mosher
got to know each other reasonably well. On this occasion, Mosher had
confessed to Frank, "off the record", of the enormous fraud he was
perpetrating on the Chinese government. Frank had spent a few more years in
China than Mosher had, and evidently realized that playing tricks like this
on the Chinese government was a bad idea. Frank thought very long and hard
about going to the US Embassy, or to the Stanford authorities, to tell them
what he knew, but he decided that he should not betray a confidence, so in
fact he said nothing to anyone except me. He didn't even tell his wife.
Frank spent several days investigating these claims to his own satisfaction,
even going so far as to travel to some part of China not normally open to
Westerners, to ask questions and doublecheck statements.
As you know, the case eventually became public. Some evidence was presented;
some case was made. Frank Hawke was not involved in any of the hearings. My
guess is that nobody at Stanford even knows that Hawke knows Mosher. In any
event, Mosher was found guilty by the University hearing process, using
whatever evidence they had.
My point is that there is at least one witness, whom I judge credible and
knowledgeable, whose testimony was not part of the hearing, whose testimony
exactly concurs with the final decision reached by the University. I
therefore believe, quite strongly, that the University did the right thing,
but not necessarily for the right reasons.
∂17-Nov-85 0628 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth Promotion
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Genesereth Promotion
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To the Genesereth Promotion Evaluation Committee:
We are awaiting return of letters of evaluation on Mike Genesereth.
(In the meantime I presume we are all looking carefully at his
writings, etc.)
I need to present preliminary papers to the Engineering XComm by
Monday, Nov. 25. As I understand it, that body does not expect us
to have our letters in hand at that time, nor do they expect that
our committee or the department will have a recommendation. The procedure
is (I think) that if we think there is a reasonable chance that we
will recommend Mike's promotion, then they want to look at the preliminary
papers. Feedback from them--the same body that passes on our recommendation
later in the academic year--helps us understand if our case is being
presented appropriately.
The preliminary papers are rather routine, and Betty Scott is gathering
much of the data (c.v. stuff, mainly). I do need to write three "paragraphs"
as dept. chair. Any help you folks could give me in providing info for
these paragraphs would be appreciated. The paragraphs must deal with:
1. The candidate's teaching ability (objective evidence needed--I have
survey forms--but any comments from you also welcome).
2. Summary of "research and university contributions."
3. How does the candidate "fit into the department's program?"
I presume you are all in agreement that the prelim papers ought to
be submitted even though we haven't decided what to recommend yet?
(The Engrg XComm consists of the chairs of all SOE departments plus
the deans.)
-Nils
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∂17-Nov-85 0642 cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa Re: CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
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From: David Cheriton <cheriton@su-pescadero.arpa>
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1. Scam! And here I thought I was doing a good deed!
2. Re APS, I fail to see any advantage to the dept. in buying the thing,
especially with the deal described by CSLI - surely we are not in the
business of providing services. I really fail to see any advantage in
having a phototype setting facility around, given the availability of
reasonable laser printers, adequate for camera-ready copy for conferences.
Beyond that, I think we are talking about specialized needs and publishing
house services.
3. I am amazed that, after 4 years here and being constantly told how I have
to pay my own way, these courtesy accounts exist at all. I think your
policy looks fine except: I think the dept. should agree on a dollar amount
it is willing to spend on courtesy accounts and stick to it, independent
of the policy. By the way, I provide a number of "courtesty" accounts
on my machines, but it cost the dept. nothing.
∂17-Nov-85 0656 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Will
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Subject: Will
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I just talked with Peter Will. Here's the deal: He is recovering
from surgery to repair ligaments and has been hobbling around on
crutches because of an injury a few weeks ago. This has made it
impossible to visit the West Coast. He needs to talk with Charlie
Smith (of Schlumberger Palo Alto) to see if he can arrange to be
transferred out here prior to (or in addition to) joining Stanford
(because such a transfer will help him in unspecified financial ways).
I told him that the search comm. was still anxious to have him apply,
and that we would like to solicit evaluations on him while he is
trying to see C. Smith. He promised to write an official letter of
application next week and to send references. As soon as we have these,
I recommend we send out the "Will" letter and then continue to bug
him about "has he talked with Charlie?" -Nils
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∂17-Nov-85 1114 JPBION@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: Courtesy Accounts
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From: Joel P. Bion <JPBion@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Courtesy Accounts
To: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
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A few thoughts:
I am all for as many "overhead" accounts as possible - accounts for people
who volunteer to maintain things without getting paid by Stanford. The
non-volunteer work they use the accounts for would be outweighed by the
free labour. I would hope that these accounts are not at issue; more than
a few people (especially at LOTS) help to keep things up this way.
I don't like the "automatic part" of the policy of giving PhD students courtesy
accounts and not giving them to MS students. Yes, I am an MS student; I am
biased. But I know quite a few MS students who do a heck of a lot more to
help keep this department running than most of their PhD counterparts. I
am thinking of both administrative and facilities upkeep. Yes, there are
quite a few MS "logs," who get their degrees and never lift a finger to
help. But there are quite a few PhD "logs" as well.
Rather than ANY "automatic" categories, I would like to suggest that the
courtesy accounts be something that is automatic for a couple of months (ie:
kill the accounts in September, not in June) and after that, all but the
EXCEPTIONS are flushed. The EXCEPTIONS are those people who get some approval
from some person or another who agrees that this person is useful. I don't
expect that there will be that many exceptions, so I don't see this being an
administrative hassle. Not only that, but the exceptions will be "overhead"
rather than "courtesy" people, and the accounts will therefore not be a
drain, but a boon. Also, the machines should implement some sort of auto-
expiration policy. Thus, the guest's account would have to be manually renewed
each year.
Of course, I do not have any real guess as to how big of an administrative
problem a solution like this could be. I would like to know what others
think. Personally, I think that explicitly granted courtesy accounts which
must be renewed will be MUCH less of a hassle than accounts that just
"stay around" forever collecting computer mail.
Joel
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∂17-Nov-85 1148 JJW My thesis
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, RPG@SU-AI.ARPA, ullman@SU-AIMVAX.ARPA
Below I've listed ideas about my thesis, along with questions about how I
should deal with them. If you can answer any of these questions, it would
help me a lot.
1. Basic approach. At first, my basic goal was something like: "Find ways
to detect parallelism in Lisp programs. Start with simple (pure
functional) programs, and graduate toward more complicated constructs."
Nowadays, I'm thinking along the lines of: "Use language constructs that
specify conditional parallelism, such as those in Qlisp or Multilisp.
Analyze what sorts of conditions a programmer should consider to decide
when to execute tasks in parallel, and how these vary with parameters of
the model of parallelism." The user takes a more active part in the
detection of parallelism; this includes the recognition that efficient
serial algorithms don't always parallelize, so the program will have to
specify a parallel algorithm in order to work well.
2. Machine model. Currently limited to multiprocessors with shared,
uniformly-addressed memory with little emphasis on memory contention or
communication problems. (This doesn't imply a single queue for tasks,
since each processor could have its own queue along with a scheme for
global load-balancing.)
Q: Is this acceptable? What I can say about other models depends on
whether they are at all appropriate for the basic language constructs
(see next topic).
3. Language. A main reason for choosing Lisp is that it focuses efforts on
applications where the tasks to be performed in parallel are not always
known ahead of time, neither at "compile time" nor at the beginning of
a large section of execution that contains parallelism, but sometimes
only in the course of the computation itself. This would happen mainly
if the values of the input data have major effects on how the computation
proceeds.
But there is no reason such computations have to be performed in Lisp,
and the results should generalize to whatever language is used.
Q: Should Lisp be de-emphasized in favor of more general results?
The way in which the language interacts with the machine model is that
Lisp seems to assume uniform addressing, i.e. there's no provision for
localization of data. So an implementation in which data in one
processor is inaccessible to another, or expensive to transmit, would
not fit very well with the whole idea of Lisp computation and treating
the machine as an abstraction for the programmer, who need not worry
about such details. (I'm still making him worry about parallelism when
needed to ensure enough work to keep the processors busy, but view the
allocation of processes as well as data as something to be taken care
of by the system.) Feigenbaum's group is trying to deal with Lisp on
distributed systems, and as far as I can tell their answer is to be
aware of the machine architecture at a higher level, so that their
results will hold for the blackboard paradigm but not for Lisp programs
in general.
4. Emphasis. The main emphasis is now on making best use of resources
available, by using parallel rather than serial algorithms if necessary,
but figuring out when enough parallelism has been achieved so that we
can switch to a more effecient serial algorithm for a subtask, or at
least avoid starting new tasks when we've saturated the machine.
So far I don't plan to study other issues, such as the effect of
garbage collection and communication costs, not because they aren't
important, but in the hope that they are sort of orthogonal to the
issues that I want to concentrate on. Several other people are doing
theses in each of these areas.
Q: Is this reasonable?
5. Implementation. We don't yet have a multiprocesor Lisp system, so I
can't try my ideas on a real machine. I have a fairly simple simulator,
but it isn't clear now that it will point me to ideas that I couldn't
get by just thinking. And few people will trust its results.
Q: Is it acceptable, or maybe even better, to work on theoretical
results?
My most general question, which the above no doubt hints at, is: If I do
what I've said I'll do, will I have an acceptable thesis? Having never
done one, I find it very hard to judge whether the scope and importance of
my plans meets the general requirements of a thesis. So if I'm not on the
right track, please suggest what else I should do.
∂17-Nov-85 1237 reid@glacier judgment
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From: Brian Reid <reid@glacier>
Subject: judgment
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I am not attempting to make a judgment
for myself on the Mosher case. I do not have the facts, and
I do not have the time to learn them right now. I therefore
choose someone whose position and politics are known to me, and whose
judgment I trust, and choose to believe him.
Frank Hawke is in no sense of the word a liberal or left-winger. He
has given tremendous amounts of money to Reagan's re-election campaign.
He is in China for the purpose of mercantile exploitation of the Chinese.
He has entertained me for hours with horror stories of how awful and
repressive the Chinese government is, and he has told me countless times
that the thinks the Chinese are tricking the U.S. blind in the arena of
international politics. I am therefore quite reluctant to shrug off a
conclusion that he has reached, with first-hand evidence, on the basis
of some presumed liberal politics.
I will see if I can edit that message into something that will not give
away the identity of any of the people involved; if so, I will post it
to bboard.
∂17-Nov-85 2347 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: banquet speech
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Thanks, I thought I did mention it, and we will be very happy to
have you there.
While planning your trip, you may want to consider the ECAI conference,
which will take place the following week in brighton.
Regards,
Udi
p.s. I have sent my resume to Nils about a month ago. Any progress?
∂18-Nov-85 1044 RA Re: parking
[Reply to message recvd: 17 Nov 85 18:50 Pacific Time]
John,
I talked to the police. You need to go to the police station and fill
out an application in order to issue you a new sticker. They did not
want to mail you one. If you want me to do it I need the licesence plate
number and a description of the car, make, model, color.
They also said that they cannot cancel the ticket. May be you will be able
to do that.
Rutie
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∂18-Nov-85 1111 RA a reminder
John Perry's secretary called to remind you about tonight's talk at
Soto Hall at 7:00pm. You are welcome to come to dinner at Soto Cottage
at 5:45.
∂18-Nov-85 1214 RA Dr. appointment
I will leave at 2:15 for a medical appointment; on the way back I will
stop at the police station to pick up an application for you.
∂18-Nov-85 1300 JMC
file for notes
∂18-Nov-85 1300 JMC
system for filing jmc notes
∂18-Nov-85 1315 SJG thanks --
Dear John:
Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed the SIGlunch; it was
interesting (what's the story on the reification question I asked?),
and you had clearly gone to a lot of trouble to prepare a talk for that
audience.
So, thanks; when your paternal duties lighten a little, why don't
we get together for dinner? (But not Cafe Maroc!)
Matt
∂18-Nov-85 1359 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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Dear Colleagues:
As of November 25, IBM Research will be moving to a new lab in
Almaden. My address will be:
Joe Halpern
Dept. K53/801
IBM Almaden Research Center
650 Harry Rd.
San Jose, CA 95120-6099
Telephone: 408-927-1787
My CSNET and ARPANET addresses remain the same: HALPERN@IBM-SJ.
My BITNET and VNET address changes to HALPERN@ALMVMA from
HALPERN@SJRLVM1.
∂18-Nov-85 1446 SJG re: thanks --
[In reply to message rcvd 18-Nov-85 13:56-PT.]
The reification question had to do with how your definition of
theoretical use of knowledge related to the reification idea. Seems
like reification might correspond to theoretical use of whatever's
being reified. (I'm too addled to think about it at the moment,
having destroyed one of my knees over the weekend. Don't think
NASA will think too highly of that ...)
Anyway, yes to dinner; tell me when. I was at Cafe Maroc once with
you and it was fine, but I think I'd now prefer to steer clear of it
as a matter of principle.
Matt
∂18-Nov-85 1506 VAL marek
In case you'd like to see him before or after your trip: he's coming tomorrow
(Nov. 19) and will be on campus in the afternoon, and will leave on Nov. 21.
We'll have a party for him Wednesday night; if you're not going to be back by
then and Carolyn would like to forget about her new duties for a few hours, I'll
be glad to give her a ride.
∂18-Nov-85 1601 RA parking
I have a temporary sticker (good until next Mon.) for you
which you will have to place on the
inside windshield on the passenger side; in order to issue a new sticker
they need proof that your bumper was replaced. A receipt from the garage
will do. The replacement costs $5.00. When you get me the receipt I will
go and get you the sticker.
I put the sticker on your desk.
∂19-Nov-85 0034 PHayes@SRI-KL.ARPA con.grat.u.la.shions
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..and best wishes to Carolyn and Timothy! I hadnt heard before, please
give Carolyn my heartfelt congratulations.
I will get coments to you when Ive been able to read the file then
we can perhaps make a date.
Would you and Carolyn ( and Timothy ) like to come over some evening or
perhaps weekend afternoon for a meal/drink/talk and see what life is
like in a tiny Eichler ( and see some of our clocks ) ? Life is
complex just after a birth, I know, but consider it a standing invitation
in any case.
Pat
∂19-Nov-85 0829 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA scientific research...
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...has just discovered that water will come out of the coffee machine
even when it isn't turned on. Now that we know, we'll be able to
sleep at night.
Congrats on the baby!
Putting the two above ideas together, I suppose you probably still
won't be able to sleep at night. Oh well, you'll change diapers with
a less troubled mind.
Any idea when the 306 midterms will be graded?
Jamie Gray, fellow coffee drinker.
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From: John Perry <JOHN@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: reminder
To: mccarthy@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: ingrid@SU-CSLI.ARPA
About your talk on Star Wars and Computation, tonight at Soto Lounge,
7 p.m. You are welcome to join us for dinner--come to Soto Cottage
around 5:45.
Congratulations on your new son. I trust mother and baby and father
are all doing well.
Cheers,
JP
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∂19-Nov-85 0854 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: chess computer
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: chess computer
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 18 Nov 85 13:19:00-PST
Well, according to the AP it has all that great AI stuff, but
lots of previous chess programs have been touted the same way, and they
surely didn't do anything special. I notice that the article says that this
machine is 50% faster than any of the other machines. That means we still
can't tell to what extent the chess program is smart and to what extent
it is just taking advantage of its greater speed. Is there any evidence
as to how much the program's performance depends on its speed and how
much on its intelligence? Moroever, to what extent does the program
depend on ideas that are really part of AI? Anybody know the details?
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∂19-Nov-85 0856 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow 2:15 in 252
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To: Phd-committee: ;
A reminder that we will meet again tomorrow. I will try to have some
specific written proposals in the morning. Otherwise I will bring them
to the meeting. --t
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∂19-Nov-85 0902 nttlab!NTT-20!Goto@su-shasta.arpa Congratulations
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nttlab!NTT-20!goto@su-shasta.arpa
Congratulations!!!
I have learned with delight that you had a baby boy.
-- Shigeki Goto
Email addresses (1) "hplabs!kddlab!nttlab!ntt20!goto"@utah-cs.ARPA
and (2) "nttlab!ntt20!goto"@Shasta
P.S. The <return-path> may not indicate my exact address mentioned above.
The route via hplabs (1) is long but reliable. I am trying to establish
a new route to Shasta (2). Fortunately, I got an international account
from NTT. I still need a right modem to call Shasta successfully.
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∂19-Nov-85 0903 PKANERVA@SU-CSLI.ARPA Russia's computing
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From: Pentti Kanerva <PKANERVA@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Russia's computing
To: McCarthy@SU-CSLI.ARPA
John,
I can easily believe that they are ten years behind us. That may
mean that they have not yet considered computing a critical priority.
But history seems to show that they will do whatever they have to
when the nation's survival is at issue, usually at the expense of the
consumer. I suspect that at this point in time they would prefer to
ease the lot of the consumer and delay major developments in computers.
- Pentti
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∂19-Nov-85 0932 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Hi!
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Hi!
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Hi, Udi! I did receive your cv, and John McC reminded me that we were
going to get back to you about visiting Stanford next academic year. I
would like that very much and will work out the details of the visit
if it still seems a good idea to you. John has proposed that the CSD
institute a regular "visiting professorship," and I think our faculty
would approve that idea. In the meantime you might let me know what
sort of research support you might be bringing with you (if any) and
what additional support Stanford should try to come up with. Also, I
would appreciate hearing about what courses you might like to teach
while here. (The normal "teaching load" for faculty is 4 courses
per academic, three-quarter year. If half of one's salary is covered
by research--as distinct from CS department funds, then the teaching
load is reduced to two courses per year. In your case, there might
be three sources of funds, any you bring with you, research support
from existing projects at Stanford, and department funds.)
I presume we will be able to continue to work out details via electronic
mail and I will keep you informed of developments here.
Regards, -Nils
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∂19-Nov-85 1042 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
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Subject: Re: CSD-CFC Miscellaneous Announcements
To: LES@SU-AI.ARPA, facil@SU-AI.ARPA
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In-Reply-To: Message from "Les Earnest <LES@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 15 Nov 85 17:02:00-PST
Message-ID: <12160540145.25.RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Les, the APS has been a really neat device to have around for special purposes
like typesetting the KSL brochure and mini-brochure, doing the AI Magazine,
books, and other documents that want to look especially good. However, I'm
ignorant about the details of the proposed deal:
1) What is the history and state/condition of the current machine and
interface
2) What is its capacity and use load now -- where does that load come from
3) How much does an APS cost new
4) What does it cost to operate and maintain -- hardware, software, supplies
It seems like there should be a readily accessible machine like the APS around
but it should be run appropriately for the community it serves. Can we get
some more information about this deal?
Tom R.
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∂19-Nov-85 1114 RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Courtesy Accounts
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From: T. C. Rindfleisch <Rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: Courtesy Accounts
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, JPBion@SU-SUSHI.ARPA, facil@SU-AI.ARPA
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In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 17 Nov 85 12:13:00-PST
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I also strongly favor courtesy accounts. These have been a big benefit on all
our machines around here and I think the number of abusers is relatively small.
I agree with Les's draft policy in that courtesy accounts should not be
automatic for any group. There should be some small effort required to
specifically request one with a local sponsor identified. MS students should
also have access to this privilege. We don't want to impose more controls than
are needed for the various machines and courtesy groups we support (students,
systems developers, scientific collaborators, etc.). Electronic bills would
allow managers to write programs to screen for excessive charges or unused
accounts according to their own criteria.
Tom R.
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∂19-Nov-85 1155 BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA
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From: Len Bosack <BOSACK@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 18 Nov 85 14:38:00-PST
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497-4975 is the machine room and will usually get the people working one
a problem. We don't have a 'facility' phone, so 497-4838 (Lynn) is the
usual other number to get more global information.
From time-to-time, we've thought about getting a general 'facility' telephone
number as the primary target of the 'do you know when X is going to be up'
type information.
Len
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∂19-Nov-85 1630 RA tickets
Did I give you your airline tickets for tomorrow?
∂20-Nov-85 1159 RA Yuri Gurevich
Yuri Gurevich called, wanted to know whether you are going to stay
there Wed. night, Dec. 4. He also sent you a msg. about it today.
∂20-Nov-85 1259 VAL party for Marek
It's at 8 tonight, coffee and dessert will be served. The address is 1050 Miller.
Please come.
∂20-Nov-85 1716 LES Facilities Committee minutes of Nov. 19
To: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, BScott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
Reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Next meeting: Friday, December 6 at 4:15 PM in MJH-301.
Courtesy Computer Accounts
The Committee reviewed the report and draft policy on courtesy computer
accounts, which proposed that former PhD students be granted courtesy
accounts routinely and that others would have to find a sponsor within the
department. Some members asserted that if former PhD students are to be
granted accounts on request that Masters students should have this
privilege too. Others felt that all courtesy account requestors should
have to find a sponsor who would take financial responsibility for the
account and review it periodically.
The committee reached a consensus on the latter view and approved the
proposed policy with the provision that all automatic approvals be
dropped. It was agreed that this policy should be recommended for
adoption by the department at the next faculty meeting. A copy of the
revised policy is attached.
The work of the Courtesy Services Subcommittee is ended for now.
APS Typesetter Aquisition
The committee discussed the proposition that the department purchase an
APS Typsetter from the TeX Project at depreciated cost (about $30,000) and
operate it as a cost center. The TeX Project has been operating the
typesetter as a facility for its own use but has made it available to
others in the department and elsewhere for books and other publications
(e.g. Star Labs reports, A.I. Magazine, Pat Winston's book). Outside
revenues were about $8,000 in 1984 and would have been much higher if Don
Knuth's typsetting had been charged for.
Two independent cost analyses, by Len Bosack and the Chair, indicate that
there would be little financial risk in the Computer Facilities Group
taking on this responsibility. The committee approved the proposal to
acquire it with the understanding that it will be operated as a
low-overhead facility with minimal hand-holding and little marketing.
Cheriton recommended that the faculty be given an opportunity to review
and comment on this plan and the committee concurred.
Sun Unix and Archival File Service
With the committee's concurrence, Nils Nilsson recently agreed to
put $11,000 of matching CSD funds into upgrading the Department's Sun
workstations for instructional use, as requested by Dave Cheriton.
The committee discussed the possible adoption of Network File Service as
the primary network file access protocol. It was decided that this
question should be examined carefully and that it would be best to take
archival file service needs into account in this study. Therefore, the
Sun Unix and Archival File Service Subcommittees are now merged as the
File Service Subcommittee.
5 Year Plan
The Chair reported that 7 responses to the solicitation of computer
facility needs have been received so far. Given that the CSD 10 Year Plan
is to be completed by January, it is clear that some arm-twisting will be
needed to extract the rest of the needed information in time. The Chair
agreed to start twisting.
Les Earnest
Facilities Committee Chair
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Courtesy Computer Accounts
Background
During the 22 years in which CSD has had its own computer facilities,
courtesy accounts have been extended to many outside users, often with
little serious justification. In fact, limited public access to SAIL was
permitted for people without *any* account up to the early '70s. While
the use of computer resources by guests sometimes inconvenienced other
users a bit, this permissiveness resulted in no direct economic losses to
the research programs or the department until recently. Given that some
of the department's computer facilities now run as cost centers, courtesy
accounts on these machines now consume some of our limited and precious
unrestricted funds.
The use of some courtesy accounts has persisted long past anyone's memory
of why they were created. There is also evidence of substantial waste and
abuse in the use of some accounts. It seems desirable to continue to
offer courtesy accounts, but we should ensure that the financial burden
does not become excessive and that the resources devoted to this activity
benefit the department. Toward this end, we need a clear policy and
administrative enforcement.
Current Use and Abuse
A scan of recent courtesy account billings reveals the following
distribution of users:
# Category
44 Former PhD students
8 Former CSD staff
1 Former CSD faculty
9 Friends of the Department
25 Unknown
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93 Total
The "Friends of the Department" are faculty or researchers elsewhere
with close ties to the department.
Review of recent billings (May through August 1985) reveals that the
department has been paying about $18,000 a year for these 93 accounts.
These charges have been much larger than necessary for five main reasons:
(1) inactive accounts have not been purged and accrue substantial disk
storage charges;
(2) some hyperactive accounts have incurred inappropriately large charges;
(3) some courtesy users have been running on SCORE, which is a cost center,
when they could have been on SUSHI, which is not;
(4) once someone gets a courtesy account, there has been no systematic
record-keeping of why the account was set up nor any review of the
appropriateness of continuing it,
(5) the existing accounting system does not tell how much is being spent
on courtesy accounts.
The staff has done its best to cope with these problems but has been
hampered by a lack of clear policies. Working on point (3), for example,
the courtesy accounts of outside users on SCORE were shifted to SUSHI late
last summer and the accounts of Masters students will be shifted to SUSHI
soon. Though a partial purge was conducted this summer, there still
appear to be a number of people who have these accounts for no good reason.
37 courtesy accounts with no logins in 1985 have been incurring charges at
a rate over $5,000 per year. Some of these accounts have not been used
since 1980. Nevertheless, some are on distribution lists that cause their
mail files to keep growing.
Ignacio Zabala's account is a rather horrendous example. He received
his PhD three years ago, returned to Spain and has not logged in since.
In this time his mail file grew to the point where he alone has been
accounting for over $2000 a year in disk charges. (This account was
purged in early November at my request.)
It seems sensible to purge accounts that have been inactive for a long
time -- say, one year.
Of the courtesy accounts that are active, some are incurring very large
charges -- one person is currently running at a rate over $2000 per year,
another is just over $1000 and another 5 are each costing the department
over $500 a year. While Score software enforces account limitations,
SAIL does not. If we enforced a limit of, say, $120 per year per courtesy
account, we would save about $9,000 annually.
One of the reasons that the problems cited above were not noticed was that
the accounting system does not yield cost information on courtesy accounts
as a separate category -- these charges are intermixed with those of all
other users who are charged to the CSD Gift Account. In order to get the
data above it was necessary to extract records from detailed account
listings based on a line-by-line search, then total them separately.
Even if we set up a review procedure for courtesy accounts, there will
likely still be some abuses; e.g. some accounts may be "inherited" by
unauthorized users. We do not propose to expend effort on preventing this
kind of abuse, but it should be dealt with if evidence appears
fortuitously.
When a sponsored research project participant decides that a courtesy
account is needed for someone, he should normally arrange for the account
on the machine used by the project. If that machine is a cost center,
then the project should be expected to cover the cost of the account. In
any case, the project administration should keep track of the courtesy
account and ensure that it is closed when no longer appropriate.
It appears, then, that by adopting a few simple measures, the cost of
courtesy accounts can be reduced from $18,000 per year to $4,000 or less
while retaining the principal benefits of the existing program.
Recommendations
1. A policy such as the one given below should be adopted by the Department.
After adoption, all existing courtesy accounts should be reviewed for
consistency with the policy and exceptions should be dropped, with adequate
notice to the users.
2. The cost center accounting system should be modified to give separate
listings and totals on "subaccounts" -- subclasses of users who are
charged to the same University account. This will facilitate periodic
review of the costs of courtesy accounts and other user subgroups.
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Policy on Courtesy Computer Accounts
PURPOSES. It is the policy of CSD to provide limited access to
departmental computer resources at no cost to certain people with close
ties to the department. The purpose of this access is to facilitate
communication with department members and to provide access to information
resources at Stanford. The departmental purpose is to stimulate exchanges
of information with outside members of computer research and teaching
communities and to engender goodwill.
INITIATION. Departing CSD students, faculty, and staff members will
normally be granted a grace period of up to 90 days to move or purge their
computer files if they request it in advance. Otherwise, files will be
purged on termination.
Individuals may be granted ongoing courtesy accounts upon approval by a
principal investigator or other person with account commitment authority.
Any cost of such courtesy accounts shall be charged to the University
accounts of the approving authority. Courtesy accounts on Department-
supported computers (e.g. SUSHI) or that are to be charged against
Departmental unrestricted funds shall be approved by the Department
Chairman. Individual charges against Departmental unrestricted accounts
shall not be permitted to exceed $10 per month.
Courtesy account users shall be informed that the account is for their
personal use and should not be made available to others. They shall
also be informed of any cost or other constraints on the use of the
account.
RECORDS AND REVIEW. For each courtesy account, whether it involves direct
charges or not, a record shall be kept of the reason the account was set
up, who approved it, and the termination date or conditions, if any.
Principal Investigators and the Department Chairman shall establish
procedures for periodically reviewing courtesy accounts to ensure that the
cost is consistent with their purposes and that they are terminated when
appropriate. Where possible, charge or resource constraints shall be
enforced automatically. Otherwise, accounts shall be reviewed by someone
monthly and appropriate action shall be taken to curb any abuses.
Accounts that are supported with Departmental funds that have not been
used for a year shall be purged whether or not there are direct charges
involved.
∂20-Nov-85 1744 BARWISE@SU-CSLI.ARPA Schlipf paper
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Subject: Schlipf paper
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
TOday I got a paper from a former PHD student of mine, John Schlipf,
on definability and circumscrption. I have not read it yet, but I
suspect it is good, just because the guy is very bright. Let me know
if you have not seen it and would like a copy.
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∂21-Nov-85 0911 ICS.DEKEN@R20.UTEXAS.EDU Printed text reading device
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From: ICS.DEKEN@R20.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: Printed text reading device
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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I seem to recall that you reported testing a text reading device
which performed very well and was not too expensive, but I did
not save the message. If you can recall any details, or have
more current information, I would greatly appreciate hearing
about it.
Joseph Deken
Information Science Program
National Science Foundation
(the net address at texas is a courtesy)
Thanks.
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∂21-Nov-85 0919 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting next Wed. 3:30 in 352
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Subject: Meeting next Wed. 3:30 in 352
To: Phd-committee: ;
Note the different room and time. We will discuss quals and/or dissertation
preparation orals, and I hope raise some ideas for the "support" part of
the overall picture. --t
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∂21-Nov-85 1500 JMC
Fagin letter
∂21-Nov-85 1502 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA re: Hi!
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: re: Hi!
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Tue 19 Nov 85 10:19:00-PST
Message-ID: <12161111756.36.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Even though Shapiro might only be able to come for one quarter, don't you
think it would be a good idea to be able to extend a one-year (academic year)
invitation to people in general. I have a feeling that might be more
attractive to some people. Of course we should be flexible about accepting
one- or two-quarter visitors also if that is to our advantage.
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∂21-Nov-85 1600 RA tomorrow
I will come in late tomorrow; probably around 11:00am.
∂21-Nov-85 1608 JMC
reading in box
∂21-Nov-85 1616 SJG thanks
How did you do it? Is there something I could have done from here that
would have saved me?
Matt
∂21-Nov-85 1632 RA leaving
It is Thursday and I am leaving early. See you tomorrow.
∂22-Nov-85 0534 somewhere!a1458@ccut.u-tokyo.junet Timothy Talcott McCarthy
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From: Masahiko Sato <a1458@ccut.u-tokyo.junet>
Subject: Timothy Talcott McCarthy
To: John McCarthy <nttlab!nttlab!Shasta!jmc@su-ai>,
Carolyn Talcott <nttlab!nttlab!Shasta!clt@su-ai>
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Congratulations!! Thank you for a good news.
** masahiko **
∂22-Nov-85 1054 BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
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From: Brad Horak <BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
To: JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA
cc: "@ps:<jamie>casita.dis"@SU-CSLI.ARPA, pkanerva@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
dikran@SU-CSLI.ARPA, nissenbaum@SU-CSLI.ARPA, gaifman@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
fehri@SU-CSLI.ARPA, westerstahl@SU-CSLI.ARPA, yamarone@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
emma@SU-CSLI.ARPA, horak@SU-CSLI.ARPA, cower@SU-CSLI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jamie Marks <JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA>" of Fri 22 Nov 85 10:37:59-PST
Actually, the work will start on Monday, but the computer cable cutover
probably won't happen until Wednesday. The contractor will contact me
on Monday with a more specific time schedule.
--Brad
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∂22-Nov-85 1018 SJG monkey business
The truth seems to be between our respective recollections. The following
is from Attenborough's "Life on Earth", pp. 281-282:
Another group [of Japanese macaques] demonstrated it [learning] in an even
more dramatic way. They live on a small islet, Koshima, in southern Honshu,
separated from the mainland by a narrow but turbulent tidal race so that the
community is, to a very large extent, a closed one. In 1952 a group of
scientists began to study it. The animals, at first, were wild and shy, so
in order to entice them out into the open, the investigators began to feed
them with sweet potatoes. In 1953 a young 3 1/2-year-old female whom the
observers knew very well and had named Imo, picked up a sweet potato as she
had done many hundred times before. As usual, it was covered with earth and
sand, but Imo, for some reason took it down to a pool, dipped t in the water and
rubbed off the dirt with her hand. How far this action was a consequence of
logical thought it is impossible to say, but the fact was that, having done it
once, she made a habit of it.
A month later, one of her cmpanions began to do the same. Four months later,
her mother did so. The habit spread among the members of the group. Some
began to use not just freshwater pools but seawater. Perhaps they found the
salty taste more pleasant. Today washing sweet potatoes in the sea is a
universal habit. The only individuals that never learned were those that were
already old when Imo made her first experiment. They were too set in their ways
to change.
But Imo was not finished with her innovations. The scientists also regularly
threw doen handfuls of unhusked rice on the beach and trod them into the sand,
reasoning that it would take the monkeys so long to pick out the grains there
would be plenty of time to observe them. They had reckoned without Imo. She
grabbed handfuls of the rice, sand and all, scampered away to a rock pool and
threw them into the water. The sand dropped to the bottom but the grain
floated and she skimmed it off with her hand. Once again the habit spread and
soon everyone was doing it.
Matt
∂22-Nov-85 1107 JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
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From: Jamie Marks <JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
To: "@ps:<jamie>casita.dis"@SU-CSLI.ARPA, pkanerva@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
dikran@SU-CSLI.ARPA, nissenbaum@SU-CSLI.ARPA, gaifman@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
fehri@SU-CSLI.ARPA, westerstahl@SU-CSLI.ARPA, yamarone@SU-CSLI.ARPA
cc: jamie@SU-CSLI.ARPA, emma@SU-CSLI.ARPA, horak@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
cower@SU-CSLI.ARPA
There will be some work in Casita on Monday in preparation for the new
telephone system and the remodelling. Workmen will be relocating
conduits on the 2nd floor which contain telephone and computer
cabling. We're doing everything we can to keep downtime to a minimum;
but, it may take all day Monday to finish work. It's probably safest
to assume that you won't be able to use terminals in your Casita
offices that day.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Jamie
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∂22-Nov-85 1137 fournier@su-navajo.arpa Chinese romanization
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From: Alain.Fournier@su-navajo.arpa, <fournier@su-navajo.arpa>
Subject: Chinese romanization
To: jmc@su-ai
You are of course right about the reasons the Chinese adopted their
romanization, and the fact nobody else "had to". But there are good
reasons besides "ass-kissing" for the western media to follow suit.
One is to avoid confusion when quoting Chinese sources or reporting
about China. The other is to make sure the western (and other non
Chinese) media agree between themselves on what hey talk about.
The proliferation of romanizations was really quite comical, and it
seemed to be a point of pride for every Asian Studies department or
even every "major" scholar to come up with their very own. I took
Chinese some years ago in Montreal, and I was subjected to the Yale
system, and I had books using the French system (Ecole Francaise
d`Extreme Orient) and I had the offical Chinese system, and the papers
used some close approximation of Wade-Giles, and my head is still
spinning. As you said, no system will be phonetically exact, even less
across several languages. It seems to me that the Chinese made reasonable
choices (they avoided diacritics, for one. It makes the French system
horrible) and it is reasonable for us (all the non Chinese writing people)
to adopt it. The fact that people will then not pronounce some words
correctly is a small price to pay, especially since it is exactly the
same problem that occurs even with languages that use the latin alphabet.
I do not expect an English speaker to say "France" the way a French
speaker would, and I would be upset if most French geographical and
personal names were spelled differently in a non French paper to make
it closer to the French pronounciation. Look at China as a black box,
and assume information comes to us in their romanization, would it then
be reasonable to change the spelling to get closer to some idea we have
of their pronounciation? We do not do that for any other language.
(in fact in this case there is another problem because pronounciation
of the characters vary very widely throughout China. We would have to
standardize on the Peking-sorry Beijing-ways).
∂22-Nov-85 1432 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
The Riddle of STRIPS and Its Solution
Vladimir Lifschitz
Wednesday, November 27, 2pm
MJH 252
STRIPS (STanford Research Institute Planning System) operates with world
models represented by sets of formulas of first-order logic. A STRIPS system
describes the effect of an action by a rule which defines how the current world
model should be changed when the action is performed.
The big mystery about STRIPS is why it does not produce incorrect results.
Presumably, this happens because the rules correctly describe properties of the
corresponding actions. But what do we mean by the "correctness" of a STRIPS rule?
Straightforward attempts to define the semantics of STRIPS rules turn out to be
unsatisfactory; we will examine a classical STRIPS system and show that, from
some points of view, its rules are incorrect. The purpose of that exercise is not
to criticize the system, but rather to show that defining the semantics of STRIPS
is a tricky business.
In the last part of the talk, a solution to the problem will be proposed.
We will see that, under some conditions, STRIPS rules can be viewed as perfectly
legitimate tools for formalizing knowledge about the effects of actions.
∂22-Nov-85 1542 VAL seminar
Would you like to speak about mental situations on Dec. 4? I thought it may help
you to prepare for Halpern's conference, their deadline is approaching.
∂22-Nov-85 2256 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Romanji (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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There seems to be some confusion here about the use of the term Romaji.
Romaji is used in Japanese to refer to any system for writing Japanese
in Roman letters. The word literally means "Roman letters". The system that
JMC refers to as Romaji is technically known as the "kunreishiki romaji",
that is, the "Kunrei style romanization".
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∂23-Nov-85 0125 @SCRC-QUABBIN.ARPA:rwg@RUSSIAN.SPA.Symbolics.COM We did it!
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From: Clark M. Baker <cmb@SCRC-VALLECITO.ARPA>
Subject: Million Digits of pi: What's behind it all
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 85 12:03 EST
From: Clark M. Baker <cmb@SCRC-VALLECITO.ARPA>
Philip J. Davis (Brown University) will be giving a talk with the above
title at the Computer Museum starting at 7PM. Admission to the museum
is $4.
Well, Bill Ackerman and I went and it was very low level. Davis is
mainly a math historian and while, from some of the technical things he
said, he seems to know his stuff (with respect to pi), he didn't tell us
much.
He mentioned Peter and John Borwein from Halifax who are
publishing a book (due out in January) about "The Generalized Harmonic
Geometric Mean" published by Springer-Verlag.
He mentioned that the current issue of the Math Intelligencer
has a cover containing 10000 digits of pi and maybe some information on
the inside.
He stated that the world's record is currently 24-25M decimal digits held
by someone from Japan. He didn't know who or have a reference.
Hope this helps. I didn't give him your letter because I forgot to
bring it.
I'm thankful you went, but it sounds like you wasted $4. I just got this
(airmail) tonight:
COMPUTER CENTRE
University of Tokyo
2-11-16, Yayoi, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo, Japan
19 Nov 1985
Dear Dr. R. Wm. Gosper, Jr.;
Thank you for your letter dated 5 November 1985. Yesterday I
received your letter
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are now a world record holder!
I have checked your letter and found that the digit sequences up
to 16 Million match to our results. We only have digits up to
2**24 (about 16.7 Million), so it was impossible to check 17 Million
digits sequence of length 100.
Previously we had a plan to extend our record up to 33 Million,
but we couldn't find CPU resources for the record. (Our record was
established by just a chance of using super-computer for the
verification.)
Yesterday I had a chance to meet with Dr. Richard Pavelle and
handed our paper to him. You should receive our papers from him
so soon. Now, I had sent a listing of our results to you under
the separate cover. Please let us know the correct digits of our
calculation.
Sincerely yours,
Yasumasa Kanada
cc/YT
∂23-Nov-85 0336 kddlab!nttlab!NTT-20!Goto@seismo.CSS.GOV Congratulations!
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Congratulations!!!
I have learned with delight that you had a baby boy.
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∂23-Nov-85 1211 GENESERETH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA things
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Subject: things
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John,
I just got back from my trip East.
(1) Vic Lesser tells me he didn't get a letter from you. Since he
is the only one on the list familiar with my work on cooperative
ps, it might be good to get some feedback from him.
(2) I think it might be appropriate to write to Ray Reiter as well.
(3) I just heard about the new kid on the block. Congratulations.
mrg
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∂24-Nov-85 1928 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Mosher
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Mosher
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 24 Nov 85 18:51:00-PST
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The Wall Street Journal's comparsion of Mosher with Indiana Jones
is interesting. Indiana Jones is more of an anti-hero than a hero,
and this was in fact the design of the character. Jones lives and deals
in the seamy side of his profession; even the good things he does are in
the course of seeking profit. In "Temple of Doom", he went on the quest
not out of pity for the villagers, but because he had an opportunity to
get the Shankara stones. He works with gangsters, he's a chaser,...
None of this is to say that this sort of person isn't useful in the
world scheme of things. However, such a person may have difficulty finding
others who wish to be associated with him.
It's interesting to note that the Chinese government does in fact
admit that there have been abuses in its population control program. They
deny that forced abortions were ever part of their population control program.
My conclusion is that probably the forced abortions happened, and the Chinese
are saying that they were local abuses rather than government policy.
However, some of the holier-than-thou protests about the Chinese birth
control program are ridiculous. With over a billion people and far less in
natural resources per person than the USA, China has to stop their population
growth or face a mega-famine. In many backwards areas, Chinese women bore
many children because historically the infant mortality rate was so high that
most of these children would never live to adulthood. Today, with modern
medicine, the infant mortality rate is greatly reduced, and China's population
has exploded. I don't like the idea of forced abortion, but birth control is
just good sense.
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∂24-Nov-85 2106 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA mosher case
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: mosher case
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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I find JMC's reply to my request for evidence that Mosher's
doctoral candidacy was terminated for political reasons extremely
weak.
First, JMC presents no evidence that motivation for Mosher's
termination was political. He gives only the indirect argument that
the case against him was so weak that it could only be political.
As I argued in my previous message, and as I will return to below,
I don't think that the case is so weak. But even if it were weak,
JMC's reason for taking the case to be political would be rather
weak-we should all be aware of how dangerous reasoning of the
"Well, I can't think of any other explanation..." type is.
Second, JMC dismisses my point about Mosher's change of
thesis topic as a "silly" reason for dismissal. Perhaps it would be,
but if JMC had read my message carefully he would have noticed that
I didn't present the change of thesis topic as a reason for dismissal.
I presented it as part of an argument that what Mosher is demanding
(the award of his doctorate) is unreasonable regardless of the justice
of his case, and that at best he should be demanding readmission to
candidacy. JMC does not address this issue at all.
Third, JMC accuses me of setting up a straw man in taking Mosher's
book to be the same as the draft of his thesis. It is hardly a straw man-
Mosher himself in his publicity about the case has cited his book as
evidence of the quality of his work and of his worthiness to be
certified as a Sinologist. In any case, my comment on Mosher's book was an
aside to my main point, namely that Mosher has not submitted an acceptable
thesis to the Department of Anthropology and therefore cannot reasonably
demand the award of the doctorate. As I said, JMC does not address this
issue at all.
Fourth, and turning to more substantive matters, JMC dismisses
my argument that Mosher's failure to protect his subjects was contrary
to the standards of the Anthropological profession by opining that
these standards are unwritten. Frankly, I find this argument unbelievable.
Does JMC really believe that conduct can only be considered unethical or
unprofessional if it is prohibited in writing? Does JMC condone exposing
the very victims of the Chinese policies to which Mosher (and presumably
JMC) objects to persecution by the Chinese government? Be serious, JMC.
Even Mosher admits that he screwed up, though he tries to minimize
the magnitude of his error.
If JMC were familiar with the perhaps ridiculously tight human subjects
standards now in force he would know that if the standard is not written
down that is probably because it is considered to be so clear and well
known that it need not be. JMC's argument is like saying that its
alright for a man to beat his wife so long as the wedding contract
doesn't explicitly prohibit it.
Fifth, I argued that solely from Mosher's own statements we can
conclude that Mosher is a liar and a thief, and on the basis of objective
investigations (by a handwriting expert), together with Mosher's statements,
we can conclude that he is a forger as well. Here again, there is no response
from JMC other than to refer to Mosher as an Indiana Jones type. But the
anaology is not apt, since Indiana Jones only hurts and deceives the bad guys.
In any case Jones is an adventurer out to make a buck, not a scholar.
I stand by the claim that Mosher's deception, theft, and forgery disqualify
him as a scholar.
Sixth, let us consider JMC's argument that the Anthropology
Department went all out to nail Mosher. JMC suggests that if the
Anthro department had not had it in for Mosher it could have adopted
a number of other courses of action, such as refusing him further
financial assistance or refusing him an adviser. But, as JMC points out,
such courses of action would have had very nearly the same effect as
dismissing him-what JMC is suggesting is that the Anthro Department
should have gotten rid of Mosher by showing him out the back door.
I fail to see why dealing with Mosher forthrightly should be construed
as evidence that the Anthro Department had it in for him on political
grounds.
In sum, JMC has provided only the weakest and most indirect
argument that Mosher's dismissal was politically motivated. He has not
addressed the argument that Mosher's demands are inappropriate at all.
He does not deny that Mosher is unquestionably a liar, thief, and forger.
He does not deny that Mosher acted in violation of the standards of
professional anthropology in failing to protect his subjects' anonymity,
offering only the feeble excuse that such standards are not written down.
The remainder of the evidence against Mosher is not publicly available
and, according to Donald Kennedy, some of it is questionable. But
there seems to be a strong case against Mosher solely on the basis of
the publicly available and unchallenged evidence, and no independent
evidence that Mosher's dismissal was politically motivated,
JMC's and the Wall Street Journal's protestations notwithstanding.
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∂25-Nov-85 0126 YM Thesis
I left a copy of my thesis in your mail box. Since I am trying to finish it I
will appreciate if you communicate your comments to me when you have them (even
before completing reading everything). I'm usually here only at nights and
weekends so please send me a message when you have comments. When you feel that
you are ready to sign, the signature page (with Zohar's signature) is in
Zohar's office. Rutie knows where it is. Richard Waldinger already read it too
and I already incorporated almost all of his and Zohar's comments.
The deadline for submission this quarter is 6 December.
Richard is willing to sign the final version form.
Thanks,
-Yoni
∂25-Nov-85 0153 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA The night of Dec 3
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To: JMC@su-ai.ARPA
Subject: The night of Dec 3
We would like to invite people to our house on the Tue night to meet you. Can
you please confirm -- as soon as possible -- your staying here that night.
Thank you.
Yuri Gurevich
∂25-Nov-85 0900 JMC
Call Nafeh
∂25-Nov-85 0920 shoham%YALE-RING@YALE.ARPA Re: $1 an hour
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When I finally got around to trying to read your letter, I found I forgot
your formalism. Which of your papers contains the formalism needed?
The one entitled "A propositional modal interval logic". If you
haven't got it I'll be happy to send you a copy, or else I
believe that the set {Manna,Waldinger,Lifshitz,Nilsson,Genesereth}
has one.
Yoav.
P.S. Reading only the title of your message, for a moment there it
looked like a disappointing job offer from Stanford.
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∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
call about ticket
∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
Nafeh
∂25-Nov-85 1000 JMC
reservations for trip
∂25-Nov-85 1028 ERICKSON@SU-SUSHI.ARPA ekl
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my declare:
(decl samelength (type: |ground, ground* : truthval|) (syntype: constant)
(bindingpower: 840))
(define samelength |all v y x u.samelength(nil, u) = (null(u)) and
samelength(u, nil) = (null(u)) and samelength(y.v,x.u) = samelength(v,u)
| (use listinductiondef))
This define was not accpted.
I also tried the (incorrect) define:
(define samelength |all v y x u.samelength(nil,nil) and samelength(y.v, x.u) =
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∂25-Nov-85 1116 LIBRARY@SU-SCORE.ARPA [John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>:]
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The next due date will be 12/26/85; subject to recall if needed by another
reader.
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I'd like to renew Andrews, Theory of Partitions
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∂25-Nov-85 1419 RA Yuri Gurevich
Yuri called again wanting to know whether you are going to stay
in Michigan on Tuesday December 3rd. You can call him at home
(313) 971 2652 or at the office tomorrow (313)763 4526. You can also
let me know and I will call him. He called several times and also sent
you a message.
Thanks,
Rutie
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∂25-Nov-85 1500 JMC
9633 about ticket
∂25-Nov-85 1716 RA trip to Michigan
Do you need airline tickets for next week or have you taken care of it
yourself?
∂25-Nov-85 1727 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Subject: re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboard@SU-CSLI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 24 Nov 85 23:25:00-PST
I'm sorry if I mistook JMC's comment on the silliness of Donald
Kennedy's citation of Mosher's changing his thesis topic to be in reply
to my message, but it was a very brief comment sandwiched between two
longish paragraphs devoted to my arguments, which certainly made it look
like it was directed at me. As far as Kennedy's argument is concerned,
I believe (though I don't have his report right here) that he raised this
as one component of a larger argument to the effect that Mosher no longer
had a normal relationship with his department. I don't believe that he gave
the change of thesis topic in and of itself as a reason for dismissal.
In any case, I note that
JMC has not answered the point that I made here, namely that whatever the
injustice of Mosher's dismissal he is not in a position to demand the
award of the doctorate.
I am also rather surprised at JMC's view that the Anthropology
department in particular and Stanford social science departments in
general are a bunch of conformist sheep who take the pronouncements of
the Chinese Communists at face value. Anyone acquainted with the
East Asian Studies community at Stanford would find this laughable.
There is an enormous range of opinion, from people who are strongly
pro-communist to those who won't even talk to them. My acquaintance
with members of the Anthropology Department shows a similar variety of
points of view. Indeed, one thing that is notable in the Mosher case is that
not only was the decision of the faculty unanimous, but there were, as
far as I have been able to determine, no protests whatever from the students
in the Anthro department. Can you imagine the protests that we would hear
from the students in a department that tried to throw out a student for
political reasons?
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∂25-Nov-85 1802 AI.BOYER@MCC.ARPA
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Gerard is arriving late Wednesday the 18th of December and
leaving early Sunday the 21st.
How is Tim?
∂25-Nov-85 1853 Samuel←C.←Yang.osbunorth@Xerox.ARPA Taking the CS306 final in January
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Professor McCarthy:
I'm in your CS306 class, and you may recall that I spoke to you a while
back about taking the final either before or after the rest of the
class. (I'm going on a month-long trip to the far east, beginning on
December 6.) You indicated that I could take the final in January when
I returned.
This message is a reminder to you that I will be taking the final at the
beginning of January. I've also sent a message to the 2 TA's.
Also, I will be returning from my trip on January 2. Can you tell me
what I would have to do in order to take the final when I return?
Thanks.
///
(O-O) Samuel C. Yang (Yang@Xerox.Arpa)
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∂25-Nov-85 1953 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 25 Nov 85 17:39:00-PST
I certainly agree that lack of protest is not a conclusive argument,
but I do find it rather suspicious that there wasn't any. By the way, if
people are so concerned about political intervention into academic matters,
why is the Shockley case never cited? From what I know of it, Shockley's
right to speak was blatantly violated for purely political reasons. It looks
like a far clearer case than the Mosher case. Is it because what Shockley had
to say is less palatable than what Mosher has to say? (I should note that
I disagree violently with Shockley-I just think that he has a right to speak,
however disgusting his views may be.)
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∂25-Nov-85 2000 JMC
stuff for Cate
∂25-Nov-85 2037 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 25 Nov 85 20:12:00-PST
I am amused to hear JMC described as a "man of the left".
I suppose that he should take it as a compliment to be described
both as a leftist and a rightist. Presumably, it indicates that one's
views are based on something other than a simplistic dogma.
I didn't say what I think Shockley's views are since I don't
think that what his views are is relevant. The point is that whatever his
views are he has a right to express them. If the context is a University
course then the University has a right to ensure that the instructor is
competant, and conceivably very exotic views might demonstrate that the
proposed instructor is a crackpot who should not be permitted to teach,
but this criterion should be applied only in the clearest and most
extreme cases. JMC seems to imply (at any rate, I infer) that the
reason that the committee (and I) did not say what Shockley's views
were was that they (and I) did not know. But one could give them
the benefit of the doubt and note that since they voted in favor of
his giving the course it might be that they felt that it was necessary
only to explain the principle on which their decision was based, namely
that unpopular views are protected, howevermuch they might disagree with
them personally.
My point concerned this prinicple and not Shockley's views,
but lest it be thought that I am simply hiding behind principle
in order not to show my ignorance, I will state briefly my understanding
of Shockley's views and my reaction to them. I do not claim to be an
expert on the Shockley case-if there is any inaccuracy here please correct
me. Shockley, like a fair number
of previous scholars, the most notable/infamous in recent years being
Arthur Jensen, believes that there is scientific evidence that human
intelligence is largely determined genetically and that there are genetic
differences in intelligence between races. He further holds that these
differences have policy implications, so that eugenic policies should
be adopted that would have the effect of reducing the propagation of
black genes (since he believes that black people are genetically inferior
to whites).
My own belief is that scientific evidence of a genetic basis for
variation in human intelligence is lacking and that there is no reason
to believe in genetically determined differences in intelligence between
races. Moreover, even if there are such differences, I find the proposed
eugenic policies morally repellant. My disagreement with Shockley is
based primarily on the latter point, since the issue of the genetic
basis for variation in human intelligence is a difficult one on which
reasonable men can differ. Indeed, I must say that the common reaction
to arguments in favor of genetic determination of variation in intelligence
and the existence of genetically determined differences in intelligence
between races, namely that anyone who entertains such a hypothesis must
be a racist and that such views should not be entertained because of their
possible policy implications, is one that I find frightening. Political
considerations, even those with which I am in sympathy, cannot determine
scientific truth.
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∂25-Nov-85 2329 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Subject: re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 25 Nov 85 22:04:00-PST
Yes, the bboard statistician does make one feel a bit guilty after a while.
Good night.
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∂26-Nov-85 0800 JMC
Call Harman.
∂26-Nov-85 0800 JMC
Call Graubard.
∂26-Nov-85 1003 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA 306 assignment
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From: Jamison R. Gray <JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
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I'd like to know whether your policy will be on late assignments
will be this round. A lot of people have spent a great deal of time with
EKL for little reward. I'd like to be able to use this little Thanksgiving
break to get some sense of accomplishment out of this.
I realize that with the take-home final coming up, the time will
soon come for calling it quits on this assignment. I'd like some more
time, though.
Jamie Gray
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∂26-Nov-85 1052 BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
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Subject: Re: downtime on Monday, 25 Nov.
To: JAMIE@SU-CSLI.ARPA, "@ps:<jamie>casita.dis"@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
pkanerva@SU-CSLI.ARPA, dikran@SU-CSLI.ARPA, nissenbaum@SU-CSLI.ARPA,
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In-Reply-To: Message from "Brad Horak <BRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>" of Fri 22 Nov 85 10:47:38-PST
The wiring move in Casita has been completed ahead of schedule. There may be
some isolated phone and terminal lines that are still not working, however.
If your phone or terminal is not working, please send me a message (from a
working terminal) and I'll see that it gets fixed. Thanks.
--Brad
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∂26-Nov-85 1055 NEUMANN@SRI-CSL.ARPA Your request
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
John, I have removed your name from the list. Although your request was
indeed sent to RISKS rather than RISKS-REQUEST, it did not seem suitable
for inclusion -- although I have made due note of your protest, and will
continue to try very hard to maintain nonpartisan standards.
I disagree with your conclusion, but that is irrelevant in this case.
Peter
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∂26-Nov-85 1129 RA CS306 suggested project
Bob Givan wanted to remind you of the suggested project for
CS306 for extra credit. If you decide to go ahead and offer it,
it should probably be announced in class today.
∂26-Nov-85 1338 VAL mental situations
I remembered some ideas that I haven't discussed with you, maybe we can talk
about them some time.
∂26-Nov-85 1355 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Mosher (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 25 Nov 85 20:12:00-PST
Postal-Address: 1802 Hackett Ave.; Mountain View, CA 94043-4431
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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Did you make a mistake in one of your BBoard messages? One of
them says that you are a "man of the left"(!).
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∂26-Nov-85 1405 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA more "man of the left"
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Subject: more "man of the left"
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
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My only guess is that certain individuals probably confuse being
articulate and intelligent with being leftist, when in reality there
are articulate and intelligent (as well as inarticulate and unintelligent)
individuals on all sides of the political spectrum.
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∂26-Nov-85 1652 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Reminder of tomorrow's meeting
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There seems to be a bit of confusion re:the date and time of
the meeting tomorrow, so I thought I'd send out a reminder.
It will take place tomorrow afternoon at 3:30 in Jacks 352.
Victoria
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∂26-Nov-85 1731 TAJNAI@SU-SCORE.ARPA please update
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Please update your research interests.
@b{John McCarthy},
Professor of Computer Science.@\
Professor McCarthy has worked in the area of formal reasoning applied to
computer science and artificial intelligence since 1957. He developed
a technique for
completely characterizing LISP and other recursive programs within
first order logic by supplementing Cartwright's first order form of the
functional equation by a minimization schema.
This technique is well suited to automatic
proof checking, and in collaboration with Cartwright and Stanford students
Professor McCarthy exploited this breakthrough
by verifying more complex programs directly within first order logic. In
addition many of the standard program verification techniques can be
represented by axiom schemas in this system. Recently McCarthy has
discovered how to represent facts about knowledge and belief in unmodified
first order logic and the solution works no matter how many mental
qualities must be treated.
He has also recently discovered that an axiom schema of first
order logic called a minimization schema can be used to represent in a
flexible way the conjecture that the entities that can be shown to exist
on the basis of the information in a certain data base are all the
relevant entities that exist. This conjecture is a common feature of
human reasoning. Professor McCarthy has investigated continuous
functionals that don't arise from simple recursive programs. Some of them
require parallel evaluation, and the work may lead to a treatment of
program correctness that unifies parallel programs with the more usual
sequential programs.
In 1979 McCarthy developed a new formalism called ``Elephant'' for
expressing sequential programs as sentences in first order logic.
The formalism permits programmers to avoid defining some data structures
by referring explicitly to the past.
Prof. McCarthy received the inaugural Award for Research Excellence at
the International Joint Conference on AI, August, 1985, in Los Angeles.
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∂26-Nov-85 2154 yg%eecs.umich.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA re: The night of Dec 3
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Congratulation with the new baby. We are looking forward to see you in AA.
Yuri Gurevich
∂27-Nov-85 0921 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA [Paul Rosenbloom <ROSENBLOOM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>: Meeting on support]
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From: Paul Rosenbloom <ROSENBLOOM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Meeting on support
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Terry: I can't remember if I already sent this to you, but since I
won't be able to make it to the meeting on Wednesday, here are a few
comments on support.
I consider the CMU model of PhD student support and research -- (a)
requiring all students to spend 20 hours a week doing research no
matter who supports them, (b) supporting essentially all students who
do not have outside support, and (c) ensuring that all PhD students
have a research advisor -- to be vastly superior to the Stanford
model. All three points are important, and to a large extent related.
This is one place where I agree with Brian that radical changes are
necessary, and possibly easier to make than small changes. But if
people don't feel like pushing for something this radical, there are
some reasonable fall-back positions.
(1) flush the current first-year advising scheme (or keep it but only
for the first quarter), and make sure that everyone gets a research
advisor shortly after they get here. This amounts to polling the
faculty to find out who is willing to advise first year students, and
setting up a means of matching students to advisors.
(2) Support all of the first year students.
-- Paul
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∂27-Nov-85 0940 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Qual syllabus
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I remember some discusson at the retreat of making Charniak
and McDermott be the syllabus for the qual, but I don't remember
reaching agreement and/or doing anything official about it. Does
anyone else? --t
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∂27-Nov-85 1000 JMC
cs306 lecturers and final
∂27-Nov-85 1151 kent@su-navajo.arpa DNA
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I just thought that Dave Foulser in this department (2nd floor)
knows a lot about DNA sequence analysis too.
-mark
∂27-Nov-85 1255 RA leaving now
I am going out for lunch and a medical appointment; be back around 3:00.
∂27-Nov-85 1418 LES CSD Administrative and Instructional Computing
To: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
In support of a budget-planning thrash for the Engineering deanery, some
instant planning happened in the last couple of days. Specifically, we
were called upon to answer a series of questions about computer support
for administration and instruction -- nothing said about research. Stuart
Reges wrote most of the instructional part and I did most of the
administrative stuff. As long as we had to write it, I figure that we
should share the pain by inviting you to read it. A copy is attached.
You may detect some differences in viewpoint in the two sections. For
example, Stuart is clearly a workstation-lover while I tolerate them only
if they are kept in their place.
I recently learned that Tom Rindfleish has already started work on one of
the ideas listed below: a semi-automatic budget monitor and projector.
I hope to learn more about his project soon.
I will not swear by all the numbers presented below. They were the best
that we could conjur up quickly. I invite identification of omissions and
corrections of blunders.
Les
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Computer Science
Administrative Computing
1. What functions do you currently perform with computers?
(a) Electronic mail carries a large portion of communications between
members of the department, with colleagues at other universities and with
sponsors (mostly in Washington). To a much lesser extent, communications
with other parts of the university also go by email.
(b) We have an extensive interconnected database with information about
admissions, students, alumni, student support, fellowships, industrial
affiliates, faculty, staff, phones, addresses, computer accounts, University
accounting, electronic mailing lists, and so on.
(c) Most external correspondence is prepared on computers and printed on
laser printers.
(d) Each computer facility that functions as a cost center has accounting
programs that accumulate individual account data and compile monthly bills.
(e) A spreadsheet program running on a mainframe (Score) is used for
certain cost analysis work.
2. What functions do you wish to perform on computers?
(a) It would be advantageous to be able to communicate reliably via email
with administrators throughout the university. At present, many people
do not have email addresses and many of those that do fail to read their
mail regularly. Email to some systems (e.g. Forsythe) apparently does not
get through reliably.
(b) We would like to be able to receive monthly expense statement data as
text files from the university accounting system as an alternative to
paper reports. With suitable software it will be possible to more
reliably monitor budgets and do projections so as to maintain much more
timely and reliable fiscal control than is now possible.
(c) We would like to obtain detailed telephone billing data from the
new telephone system in the form of text files so that distribution
and verification of bills can be carried out semi-automatically via email.
(d) Other intra-university communications could also be expedited by the
use of email. For example, it would be convenient to be able to submit
purchase orders via this medium and to be able to track their disposition
through computer-mediated queries of the purchasing data base.
(e) We would like "electronic" access to the Registrar's office. That means
several things: We would like to receive all hardcopy reports electronically
(so that we can feed them into our own database system); we would like to query
their databases from our terminals rather than calling them on the phone; we
would like to submit Time Schedule and similar information through the computer
rather than hand-changing hardcopy; and so on.
!
3. What is your present computer system?
Most administrative functions are performed on mainframe computers,
especially Score, which is a DECSystem 20. Here are the current
approximate numbers of computers, workstations, and printers in the
department:
4 DECSystem 20 running TOPS-20
1 DECSystem 10 running WAITS
12 DEC VAX running Unix
50 Xerox Lisp machines
40 Sun workstations running V or Unix
20 Symbolics Lisp machines
20 TI Explorer Lisp machines
20 Xerox Alto workstations and fileservers
5 DEC MicroVAX workstations
5 H-P 9836 workstations
10 Imagen laser printers
6 Xerox laser printers
3 Apple laser printers
1 H-P laser printer
All these systems are interconnected via ethernets and have access to
ARPAnet and other outside computer networks. There are computer terminals
on nearly all desks in the department.
4. What are your present computer system's capabilities?
[Too numerous to document in a reasonable amount of space.]
5. What do you estimate your maintenance costs to be?
The administrative portion of SCORE's annual operating cost, which is primarily
maintenance cost, is currently running about $120,000 per year. Maintenance
costs of all computers in the department, including those devoted to research,
instruction, and administration, is on the order of $400,000 per year.
6. What data bases do you need access to?
As mentioned above, monthly account expense statements, telephone bills,
purchase orders, admissions data, CS student transcripts, room scheduling data,
and so on.
7. What additional equipment and software do you need?
The department currently has adequate equipment to support administrative
functions. To add the capabilities discussed above will require
substantial software development to handle retrieval and reformatting of
data so that our programs can effectively use other data bases in the
university.
8. What do you estimate the cost of this additional equipment and software
to be?
About 1 man year by a skilled programmer/analyst for software development to
create budget projection software that uses monthly university expense data.
About 3 man months to develop telephone bill dissemination software.
Implementation of electronic purchase orders and status monitoring would have
to be done mainly by Procurement -- the interfacing effort in CSD should be
small. About 1 more man year for completing the software necessary to transfer
information from the various Registrar databases to our own.
!
9. What do you estimate your additional maintenance costs to be?
There would be no significant increase in equipment maintenance costs.
Software maintenance costs should be on the order of 2 man-months per year
for the sum of the functions discussed above.
10. What do you estimate your additional personnel costs to be?
There would be a net reduction in personnel costs for any given level of
service. Given that there is a strong need to improve service we expect
that personnel costs will remain about the same as at present.
11. What benefits do you estimate from your current and proposed computer
system in terms of improved instruction, personnel costs and better
service?
Our main objective in undertaking these improvements will be to improve
budget and cost monitoring, which are approaching unmanageability with
current staffing.
12. How do you propose to finance acquisition, operating and maintenance
costs associated with computers?
We have been covering these expenses mainly from unrestricted funds (gifts
to the department and income from industrial affiliates program).
Instructional Computing
This section contains detailed answers for our present needs assuming no
undergraduate program. A separate section describing the needs for the
undergraduate program is included afterwards.
1. What functions do you currently perform on computers?
The academic computing facilities are principally used to complete homework
assignments in CS courses, although students also use the machines for
electronic mail and word processing.
2. What functions do you wish to perform on computers?
We would like to provide our students the kind of computing support that we
provide our research projects. This includes: making advanced LISP
workstations available to students so that they can study artificial
intelligence in a meaningful way; providing our students in the various systems
courses with individual workstations to work with, rather than having them run
various simulations on large time-sharing systems like LOTS; providing
high-quality output devices (CRT and hardcopy) to students who wish to study
graphics; providing a laboratory for software development on microcomputers;
and so on.
!
3. What is your present computer system?
We presently make available to graduate students in our department a
DECSystem-20 called SUSHI. We feel compelled to provide such specialized
computing because of the extreme overcrowding of the LOTS machines. In
addition, we make available various laser printers, ten SUN workstations, ten
TI Explorer workstations, twenty DEC microvax workstations, and a variety of
microcomputers.
4. What are your present computer system's capabilities?
SUSHI has all the capabilities that LOTS has as well as some special-purpose
software for word processing (TeX and Scribe). The SUN workstations are
versatile machines that provide high-resolution graphics, UNIX computing, and a
machine capable of supporting research projects in the area of computer systems
and computer networks. The TI workstations are LISP machines capable of
supporting significant applications in artificial intelligence. The microvax
computers have almost the computing power of a VAX 11/780. The microcomputers
have specialized software of interest to our students.
5. What do you estimate your maintenance costs to be?
Below is a summary of the portion of computer maintenance costs that we expect
to spend on academic computing this year:
SUSHI $62,400
laser printers 15,000
SUN workstations 10,000
TI workstations 30,000
DEC will provide funding for the maintenance of the microvax workstations and
Bell Foundation has provided funding for the microcomputers, although this
support is not guaranteed to continue in future years.
6. What data bases do you need access to?
We don't really need access to computer databases for instructional computing.
7. What additional equipment and software do you need?
We feel the need for more UNIX computing, but the present needs will probably
be met by a VAX 8600 that will soon start operating at LOTS. As we move from
LOTS to the various workstations we have acquired, we will need to develop new
courseware. There is always a demand for more microcomputers and microcomputer
software.
8. What do you estimate the cost of this additional equipment and software
to be?
Our immediate software development needs can be addressed by 3 FTE TAs. The
microcomputer cluster and its software will cost approximately $18,000.
9. What do you estimate your additional maintenance costs to be?
The microcomputer cluster will cost approximately $2,000 per year to maintain.
!
10. What do you estimate your additional personnel costs to be?
The courses that use the various workstations will probably be responsible for
keeping up the labs where they are housed. This will mean increased TA costs
in those courses. This will probably amount to another 3 FTE TAs in Winter and
Spring quarters. The microcomputer cluster will be staffed by volunteers.
11. What benefits do you estimate from your current and proposed computer
system in terms of improved instruction, personnel costs and better
service?
We believe the workstations we have acquired will bring our instruction into
the 1980's so that instruction can be done at the level of current technology.
The microcomputer lab will give undergraduates an opportunity to do projects in
software development.
12. How do you propose to finance acquisition, operating and maintenance
costs associated with computers?
We have been covering these expenses mainly from unrestricted funds (gifts to
the department and income from industrial affiliates program). This will
become increasingly difficult to do, however, as we start channeling those
funds into the new building. The microcomputer cluster is being paid for this
year by a generous gift from Bell Foundation.
Special Needs for the Undergraduate Program
If we institute an undergraduate program, we estimate that Stanford will need
the equivalent of five VAX 11/780 time-sharing systems and ten LISP
workstations. This is in addition to the machines described in the previous
section which we have obtained for the use of our graduate students. These
machines will have associated maintenance costs, personnel needs, and space
requirements. For more detailed information, see Jeff Ullman's "Resource
Requirements" memo.
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∂27-Nov-85 1512 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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Guru Prasab phoned regarding the 6th generation Computer. Please call.
594-9750.
Rin
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∂28-Nov-85 1646 JK
∂25-Nov-85 1732 JMC continuity by rewrite
This is a different idea than the one we discussed on the phone.
Suppose EKL is provided with additional rewrite rules as follows:
1. continuous(λx1 ... xn.f(e1,...,em)) rewrites to
continuous(f) ∧ continuous(λx1 ... xn.e1) ∧ ... ∧ continuous(λx1 ... xn.em)
⊃ continuous(λx1 ... xn.f(e1,...,em)).
2. continuous(λx1 ... xk ... xn.e)
rewrites to continuous(λx1...x(k-1) x(k+1)...xn.e)
when xk does not occur in e.
3. continuous(car), etc. are included in simpinfo.
Then it looks like we can get continuity of complex functionals by rewriting
and then can use the theorem that continuous functionals have continuous
least fixed points.
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Looks right; in fact these would be easy to add as rewrite rules
by me. The user could not do it, given the inflexibility of the
current typing set-up. This is what I would like GLB to solve.
What about the other set of ideas you had?
JK
∂29-Nov-85 1516 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning workshop
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From: Michael Georgeff <georgeff@SRI-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Planning workshop
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
John,
We are trying to figure out the best time for our proposed workshop
on planning and reasoning about action. The possible times are
May 28-30, June 18-20, or June 25-27. Would you like to come, and
if so, what is your preference re dates?
Mike.
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∂29-Nov-85 1719 GLB
jk
Then it looks like we can get continuity of complex functionals by rewriting
and then can use the theorem that continuous functionals have continuous
least fixed points.
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Where can I read the proof of the fact that continuous functionals have
continuous least fixed point?
∂29-Nov-85 1806 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning Workshop
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From: Michael Georgeff <georgeff@SRI-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Planning Workshop
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Dear John,
We are intending to hold a workshop on planning and reasoning about
action at Timberline Lodge, Portland, Oregon, from June 25-27, 1986.
Participation in the workshop will be by invitation (see list below),
although we will provide an open call for papers and invite authors of
accepted papers to attend. The number of attendees is expected to be
in the range 40 to 50, and the number of papers to be kept below 20.
We intend to publish selected papers in book form.
This will be the first significant planning workshop held in a number
of years and, given recent theoretical work in this area, can be
expected to be of considerable value to the AI community. To help us
provide some support for workshop participants, and to offset travel
costs of invitees from the East Coast and overseas, we would be most
grateful for sponsorship by the American Association for Artificial
Intelligence. The amount requested is $10,000.
Please let us know if you need any further information.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Georgeff and Amy Lansky.
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LIST OF POTENTIAL INVITEES:
James Allen
Doug Appelt
Michael Arbib
Michael Bratman
David Chapman
Phil Cohen
Tom Dean
Mark Drummond
Jeff Finger
Michael Genesereth
Michael Georgeff
Matt Ginsberg
Joe Halpern
Pat Hayes
David Israel
Leslie Kaelbling
Henry Kautz
Kurt Konolige
Amy Lansky
Vladimir Lifschitz
John McCarthy
Drew McDermott
Bob Moore
Leora Morgenstern
Yoram Moses
Nils Nilsson
Ed Pednault
Fernando Pereira
Martha Pollack
Jeff Rosenschein
Stan Rosenschein
Yoav Shoham
Reid Simmons
Dave Smith
Mark Stefik
Lucy Suchman
Austin Tate
Richard Waldinger
David Wilkins
Terry Winograd
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∂30-Nov-85 1019 BACH@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: AIQ Contest.
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Date: Sat 30 Nov 85 10:18:44-PST
From: Rene Bach <BACH@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: AIQ Contest.
To: gcj%qmc-ori.uucp@UCL-CS.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, genesereth@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "gcj%qmc-ori.uucp@ucl-cs.arpa" of Fri 29 Nov 85 08:51:19-PST
Message-ID: <12163419473.11.BACH@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Dear John and Mike,
I did present to the AiList the idea of submitting computer programs
to IQ tests (the same as human IQ tests). I would like to propose to
AAAI to set up a formal contest of computer programs IQ test (as is
done with Chess). What do you think of the idea. How likely is it to
be endorsed by AAAI ?
We will make a tentative rules proposal in the near future.
Thank you for your comments.
Rene
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∂01-Dec-85 0204 HST baby
To: JMC
CC: CLT
my warmest congratulations to your baby boy Tim!
∂01-Dec-85 1032 GLB
jk
ok, just the Recursion Theorem and no strange topology.
∂01-Dec-85 1346 CLT
∂30-Nov-85 2325 JMC
In case I forget, did the pants being rewoven ever return?
yes, i put them in your closet some time ago
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∂02-Dec-85 1116 RA [Reply to message recvd: 30 Nov 85 19:09 Pacific Time]
Sorry, I forgot all about it and what is worse I cannot find your msg.
in my msg. file. Do you remember the reference?
Thanks,
∂02-Dec-85 1218 JF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA december money due
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Subject: december money due
To: coffee-drinkers: ;
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December coffeepool dues are due. You can leave them in my mail folder
if I am not in my office (I will be running around a lot in the next few
days).
Joan
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∂02-Dec-85 1732 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Meeting tomorrow (Tuesday)
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From: Terry Winograd <WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Meeting tomorrow (Tuesday)
To: Phd-committee: ;
We will meet tomorrow (Tuesday the 3rd) at 2:15 in Jacks 252.
The following are Victoria's notes from the last meeting:
The following topics were discussed in the Ph.D. committee meeting
November 26, 1985:
1. Programming Project
The committee felt that a student should know how to write
a program and make it run.
The committee also felt that doing a project gave the student the
opportunity to learn about:
1. Specifying and documenting
2. Using originality
3. Learning software engineering
4. Working as a team
There were a number of alternatives to the programming project discussed:
1. Courses
2. Outside work
3. Special structure (waiver)
4. Programming exam
5. ACM programming contest
The two most favored alternatives seemed to be:
1. Courses
3. Special structure (waiver)
It was decided that the committee would recommend separating the
completion of the programming project from the candidacy clock.
In other words, a student could declare candidacy before satisfying
the programming project requirement.
It was also discussed that there should be a committee set up to deal
with students who wanted to try and waive the requirement.
2. Speaking requirement: felt to be ok.
Teaching requirement: felt to be ok--some discussion about the
requirement being "service" versus "educational" in nature.
Writing requirement: There was a proposal to require the students
to give a non-evaluative dissertation proposal talk. It was
stressed that its purpose was not to put any additional
pressure on the student, but rather provide a supportive
atmosphere in which the student could receive advice/feedback
on their proposed topic.
3. Qual areas (not discussed, ran out of time)
1. Timing
2. Syllabi
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∂02-Dec-85 1734 CHEADLE@SU-SCORE.ARPA Reminder
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Subject: Reminder
To: phdcom@SU-AI.ARPA
Office: Margaret Jacks 258, 497-1519
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Please remember that there will be a Ph.D. program
committee meeting tomorrow, Dec. 3, at 2:15 p.m., in
Jacks 252.
Victoria
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∂03-Dec-85 0401 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
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From: Ehud Shapiro <udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 85 12:37:06 -0200
To: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.arpa ,
udi%Wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.WISC.edu
Subject: Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
Cc: jmc@su-score.arpa ,
udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA
I did answer it, and am retransmitting:
Hi Nils,
Just came back from a three-weeks military service, hence the delay
in answering you.
Yes, I am interested in coming for the fall quarter of 1986 to
Stanford, and am looking forward for the opportunity.
However, I would like to view the visit as a step towards establishing
longer term relations as we have discussed, and would appreciate knowing
how that issue is progressing. Could you please elaborate a little on the
"regular visiting professor" you have mentioned? I am not sure what
this means. Although this might seem like formalities, I am slightly
uptight about the title I would have while visiting.
Given the overhead of obtaining research money (in which I am up to my
ears now), the relatively modest sums that my visit would require,
and the difficulty of moving research money from one Institute
to another, I do not anticipate bringing with me any research money for that
quarter.
I will be glad to teach a course during that quarter, on Concurrent Prolog
programming techniques,and participate in departmental seminars and other
activities. My needs during that visit should be quite modest: an office
and a Sun Workstation. I hope this is not too much to ask for.
Regards,
-- Udi
p.s. When does Fall 1986 begin and end?
p.p.s Please acknowledge receiving this... as I see mail is still
unreliable.
Udi
∂03-Dec-85 0928 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
To: udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
cc: jmc@SU-SCORE.ARPA, NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ehud Shapiro <udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA>" of Tue 3 Dec 85 03:44:15-PST
Message-ID: <12164196409.32.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Udi, Good to hear from you. I didn't get the first transmission of
your msg and got this one just today. Adopting the protocol of
acknowledging each time is a good idea.
I am going to ask our faculty next week to approve the idea of having
a "visiting professor" on a regular basis. Such visiting professors
could stay at Stanford for an entire academic year, or in special
circumstances like yours, just for a quarter or two. (I'd like to
have some stay for a year.) After having them approve the idea in
general, I'm going to ask them to approve you specifically for Fall
'86. I'll let you know right away how that comes out.
The title would be "Visiting x Professor" where "x" is either
"assistant," "associate," or missing (indicating "full"). The policy
would probably be to bind "x" to whatever is equivalent to what the
visitor's title at his/her home institution would be during that same
time. (I take it that in your case for fall '86 specifically "x"
would be "assistant?)
My inquiry about bringing research support was not meant to imply that
doing so was necessary. John pointed out to me after I sent the msg
that transferring research support might be difficult. My guess is that
between departmental funds and related research projects here, we'll be
able to cover appropriate compensation. (Also, I don't anticipate any
problem with office, SUN, etc.)
About "future relations with Stanford." We are gearing ourselves up
(I hope) for some expansion in faculty size. All of this is still
very tentative and must be approved by "the Deanery." One of the
areas that will be easiest to expand (in terms of convincing the Dean
of the necessity to expand it) will be "Systems" (including programming
languages). I think that's where you fit. While you are here it will
be important for you to establish contact with our Systems group
(now under the leadership of John Hennessy). In fact, that group has
some active searches ongoing, and I have taken the liberty of providing
them with your vitae.
I'll keep you posted on events.
Best wishes, -Nils
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∂03-Dec-85 1019 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: Hi!
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 85 08:29:26 -0200
To: nilsson@su-score.arpa ,
udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA
Subject: Re: Hi!
Cc: jmc@SU-AI.arpa
I have re-read my message. I am up to my ears in overhead, not in money!!
Udi
∂03-Dec-85 1114 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
TIME Wednesday, December 4, 2:00
PLACE MJH 252
SPEAKER Pat Hayes, Schlumberger Palo Alto Research
TITLE "Possible Histories"
∂03-Dec-85 1444 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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From: Tina Contreras <CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: message
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12164254124.45.CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Thelma of Inference Corp. phoned, she would like to know if your going
to her Christmas Party. Please call. 213 417-7997.
Tina
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∂03-Dec-85 2029 udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: Hi!
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From: Ehud Shapiro <udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA>
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 85 19:07:39 -0200
To: nilsson@su-score.arpa
Subject: Re: Hi!
Cc: jmc@SU-AI.arpa ,
udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA
Hi Nils,
Just came back from a three-weeks military service, hence the delay
in answering you.
Yes, I am interested in coming for the fall quarter of 1986 to
Stanford, and am looking forward for the opportunity.
However, I would like to view the visit as a step towards establishing
longer term relations as we have discussed, and would appreciate knowing
how that issue is progressing. Could you please elaborate a little on the
"regular visiting professor" you have mentioned? I am not sure what
this means. Although this might seem like formalities, I am slightly
uptight about the title I would have while visiting.
Given the overhead of obtaining research money (in which I am up to my
ears now), the relatively modest sums that my visit would require,
and the difficulty of moving research money from one Institute
to another, I do not anticipate bringing with me any research money for that
quarter.
I will be glad to teach a course during that quarter, on Concurrent Prolog
programming techniques,and participate in departmental seminars and other
activities. My needs during that visit should be quite modest: an office
and a Sun Workstation. I hope this is not too much to ask for.
Regards,
-- Udi
p.s. When does Fall 1986 begin and end?
∂03-Dec-85 2349 @SU-SCORE.ARPA:udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
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From: Ehud Shapiro <udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 85 09:49:15 -0200
To: nilsson@su-score.arpa
Subject: Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
Cc: jmc@su-score.arpa ,
udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA
Nils,
Thanks for the note. Your proposal looks good in general. I still
don't understand what does "regular" means, in "regualr visiting
professor". Is the post regular (i.e. there would exist a slot
which different people could fill in different times), or the visitor
(i.e. myself, in this case), would be regular, so that he can come
over without special approval or whatever procedures you need for
"non-regular" visitors?
Concerning the title, the one title I was worried about was "visiting
assistant professor", as it has too many qualifiers... I am presently
a senior scientist, which is closer to associate professor in the US
then to assistant professor, as it holders may have tenure.
(in the Institute a new PhD starts as a post-doc, then scientist, then
senior scientist, then associate professor, then professor). Any other
suggestions?
Please keep me posted on the developments.
Regards,
Udi
∂04-Dec-85 0913 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Hi!]
To: udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
cc: jmc@SU-SCORE.ARPA, NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ehud Shapiro <udi%wisdom.bitnet@WISCVM.ARPA>" of Tue 3 Dec 85 23:49:47-PST
Message-ID: <12164454058.25.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
John McC and I will discuss the title matter further. Any information that
is not in your vitae that you think relevant concerning title should be
sent to me. (Thinking back on matters from the perspective of my
advanced age, I can't recall any situations in which my habit of never being
concerned about titles, etc. ever caused me grief.)
"Regular" is not part of the title. It's appearance in my note merely meant
that the CSD should "regularly" (i.e., "as a matter of course") have a
departmental visiting professor in residence and make efforts to see
that we do and help with the financing, etc.
I note that I failed to answer one of your questions in your previous note:
Fall Quarter 1986 starts on September 29, 1986 and ends December 19, 1985.
(There is nothing particularly magic about those dates as far as your
visit is concerned except as they relate to the course(s) you might teach.
The first day of instruction is on Oct 1 and the end of finals is
December 19.)
We'll keep you informed of developments. -Nils
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∂04-Dec-85 1411 LES Qlisp shuffle
To: JMC, CLT, RPG
Steve Squires says that he aims to get DARPA approval within one week.
We'll see.
∂04-Dec-85 1518 AI.LENAT@MCC.ARPA
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From: AI.LENAT@MCC.ARPA
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Mon 11 Nov 85 04:17:00-CST
John,
Congratulations to you and Carolyn! (Mary and I just got back
from a month in Africa, so let us be the last to congratulate you)
Regards,
Doug & Mary
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∂05-Dec-85 0852 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Star Wars Debate
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Star Wars Debate
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12164713995.16.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
John, The CSD is sponsoring a debate entitled: "SDI: How Feasible, How
Useful, How Robust?" The moderator will be Marvin Goldberger, President
of CalTech and the discussants will be Richard Garwin, David Parnas,
Major Simon Peter Worden (spec. asst. to Abrahamson), and Richard
Lipton. It is going to be at Terman Auditorium on Thursday, Dec. 19, 1985
at 8pm. There will be a dinner for special guests and the participants
at the faculty club at 6 that evening. President Kennedy will be invited
to attend the dinner and the debate. Barbara Simons of IBM talked me
into having the CSD sponsor this after she promised to do all the
work--which she is doing. One problem: I won't be here that day and
need someone to more-or-less act as the host (although Barbara is
still doing all the work). Would you like to do that? Nothing more is
involved than to attend the dinner, say hello to Kennedy, Goldberger
and panelists and then attend the debate. (I don't know yet whether
or not Kennedy will attend.) I think the debate will be televised
on Channel 60. It will probably get a bit of press coverage--maybe
not as much as MIT's (which was written up in the NYTimes). -Nils
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∂05-Dec-85 1134 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
To: "@CS.DST[1,VAL]"@SU-AI.ARPA
STRIPS and Circumscription:
Two Approaches to the Frame Problem
Vladimir Lifschitz
Wednesday, December 11, 2:00
MJH 252
The frame problem consists in defining which properties of situations
do not change across events. We will compare two well-known attempts to solve the
frame problem. One, the STRIPS approach, is based on using a language which has
no explicit references to situations. The other approach uses circumscription to
express the "commonsense law of inertia", according to which the differences
between two situations separated by an event are minimal, given the properties
of the event. We will show on a simple example how to transform a circumscriptive
theory into the description of the corresponding STRIPS operator.
∂05-Dec-85 1423 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Meeting
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Meeting
To: feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12164773085.16.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
I see the 3 of us (along with several other folks) have been invited to
attend a conference on "Artificial Intelligence and the Human Mind" at
Yale on Mar 1-3, 1986---sponsored by something called "TRUTH" (!).
Does anyone know anything about this? Are you going? Can it be
safely ignored? By going, can we strike a blow for "truth?" etc?
-Nils
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∂06-Dec-85 0947 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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Valerie Montenegro of AAAS Washington D.C. phoned. Please call.
202 326-6460.
Tina
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∂06-Dec-85 1017 GEORGEFF@SRI-AI.ARPA Planning Conference
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From: Michael Georgeff <georgeff@SRI-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Planning Conference
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Re my previous message: Should I send hard copy to you also? Do
you want more details?
Mike.
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∂06-Dec-85 1225 gcj%qmc-ori.uucp@Cs.Ucl.AC.UK AIQ
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Subject: AIQ
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From: gcj%qmc-ori.uucp@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 85 10:10:27 GMT
Professor McCarthy,
Thank you for your thoughts on this matter. I feel that to use a similar
test for machine and human intelligence ratings is probably fruitless.
One test of systems would be to ``understand'' the instuctions at the
top of the test, let alone attempt individual problems! Presented with a
standard IQ test for humans, a machine might score 5-10%. We would like
propose a more radical way arriving at AIQ ratings.
Gordon Joly
gcj%qmc-ori@ucl-cs.arpa
∂06-Dec-85 1512 LES IBM workstation
I checked with Eustice on the prospective acquisition of the workstation.
He said that he had forwarded our request and was certain that we would
get one but that the timing is still a bit uncertain. They are currently
talking about late January.
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Roy Kawaguchi regarding Japanese Seminar, he will phone on Monday.
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∂07-Dec-85 0955 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Robotics Search
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 09:52:05-PST
From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Robotics Search
To: cannon@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, reynolds@SU-SCORE.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA,
jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165249631.10.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Folks, I sent copies to all of you of a letter I recently received from
Peter Will (Will won't). We seem not to be making much progress.
I recently met with Stan Rosenschein and asked him to reconsider his
decision not to apply for the position. In my opinion he would be a
strong leader and would bring additional AI ideas into robotics work
at Stanford. He has ability and experience in management as well.
Stan is concerned about how much of his time would be taken up by
management things because he wants to have time for research, students
and teaching. I told him that I would help find some administrative help.
He promised to think about it some more and would let me know immediately
following the Christmas/New Years break.
In the meantime, we have sent out letters soliciting an evaluation of
Horn, so we should have these soon after the first of the year. People
should also be thinking about what we ought to do next if Stan decides
finally not to apply. (Has anyone heard whether or not Raibert actually
did get an offer from MIT; he was expecting one in November, but I seem
to remember that he wasn't 100% sure that he would.) I haven't heard
from Latombe in a long time. I'll phone him to see what's up.
I'm sure that we are all impatient with how slowly things are moving, and
I'd be glad to hear any suggestions for speeding things up. -Nils
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∂07-Dec-85 1306 GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA temporal reasoning and defaults
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 13:06:06-PST
From: Benjamin N. Grosof <GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: temporal reasoning and defaults
To: val@SU-AI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
cc: grosof@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165284949.9.GROSOF@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Hi folks,
I've just received "Temporal Reasoning and Default Logics" a Yale TR
of 10/85, by Steve Hanks and Drew McDermott. It bears on some of our
recent NM seminar sessions. Perhaps you've already gotten a copy, but
if not and you'd like to xerox mine, just let me know.
Benjamin
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∂07-Dec-85 1347 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: 7 Dec 1985 1339-PST (Saturday)
From: Steven Tepper <greep@camelot>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Cc: su-bboards@score
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
>>$5.00 for the best jingle advocating SAIL for MAIL.
Here's my entry:
You get BAIL and FAIL
and frobs like SNAIL
plus reliable MAIL
with a computer called SAIL.
∂07-Dec-85 1444 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Steven Tepper <greep@camelot>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Cc: su-bboards@score
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
>>$5.00 for the best jingle advocating SAIL for MAIL.
Here's another try:
Are you laden with travail
at losing your mail?
Then you should avail
yourself of SAIL.
∂07-Dec-85 1507 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Gary B. Bronner <BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 10:58:00-PST
In response to your request of a jingle advocating SAIL for MAIL, how
about the following:
SAIL makes MAIL a breeze.
Not exactly a jingle, more like a slogan. Nonetheless, it has a certain
simple elegance to it. Hope you like it.
---Gary Bronner Bronner@sierra
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∂07-Dec-85 1701 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 17:00:37-PST
From: Gary B. Bronner <BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 10:58:00-PST
I've got another one for you. This time it even rhymes. How about:
Sail in the Sunnet
for Mail that is a good bet
---Gary Bronner
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∂07-Dec-85 1732 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 17:31:50-PST
From: Gary B. Bronner <BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 17:03:00-PST
If you insist on everything matching up, make it
For Mail that is a good bet
use Sail into the Sunnet
---Gary
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∂07-Dec-85 1738 BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 17:37:30-PST
From: Gary B. Bronner <BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA>
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: BRONNER@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 17:03:00-PST
If nothing else I'm persistent. I've added onto it. How about:
For Mail that is a good bet
Use Sail into the Sunnet
Neither rain nor sleet nor hail
Interferes with mighty sail
---Gary
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∂07-Dec-85 2130 FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Meeting
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Date: Sat 7 Dec 85 21:30:29-PST
From: Edward Feigenbaum <FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Meeting
To: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <12164773085.16.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Message-ID: <12165376771.57.FEIGENBAUM@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
I'm not going! I turned that down instantly!!.....Ed
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∂08-Dec-85 1126 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Re: Genesereth
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Date: Sun 8 Dec 85 11:23:30-PST
From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Genesereth
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 18:34:00-PST
Message-ID: <12165528417.9.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
I suppose you will call a mtg of the committee (Feigenbaum, Ullman,
you and I) sometime in January?
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∂08-Dec-85 1317 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: 8 Dec 1985 1310-PST (Sunday)
From: Steven Tepper <greep@camelot>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Cc: su-bboards@score
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
>>$5.00 for the best jingle advocating SAIL for MAIL.
One more:
When you lose your mail,
do you weep and wail?
Do you thrash and flail?
Then switch to SAIL!
∂08-Dec-85 1357 greep@camelot re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Date: 8 Dec 1985 1347-PST (Sunday)
From: Steven Tepper <greep@camelot>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: re: mail lost (from SAIL's BBOARD)
In-Reply-To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA> / 08 Dec 85 1353 PST.
Acutally I thought the jingles were getting bad enough that you might
offer me $5 to stop sending them.
∂08-Dec-85 1432 CLT please
pick up dab.dvi from the dover. If the dover is dead
try r dvirov;dab.dvi[rum,clt] or r dviesp;dab.dvi[rum,clt]
thanks
∂08-Dec-85 2145 EUSEBI@SU-SUSHI.ARPA CS306
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Date: Sun 8 Dec 85 21:44:35-PST
From: Ed Eusebi <EUSEBI@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: CS306
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165641482.10.EUSEBI@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Dear Professor McCarthy,
I am Ed Eusebi, a TV student from IBM San Jose. I have
been taking CS306 this quarter. As a result of business
travel and workload, I have fallen woefully behind in
CS306, having completed homeworks 1 and 3 and half of
the reading, but nothing else. I had planned to withdraw
from the course during dead week if I could not find the
time to catch up, but I now find that our education
people have instituted a new requirement - a lab director's
signature - for withdrawal. This is a difficult and
compromising thing to try to do at this late date.
Instead, I would like to request your permission to take
an "incomplete" grade in the course. I could finish course
requirements next quarter or next year, as you prefer.
I do not need a letter grade - earning a "P" would be
enough. I have put about 75 hours into the course, including
travel and lectures, and estimate at least 60 more to finish two
homeworks and two tests. I am prepared to complete assignment
2 next weekend if you require further evidence of my sincerity.
I will look for your reply on Monday and try to call you on
Tuesday. Thank you.
- Ed Eusebi
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∂09-Dec-85 0059 YM Thesis
Did you have a chance to look into my thesis?
Thanks,
-Yoni
∂09-Dec-85 0301 HIRSH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA sail mail jingle
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Date: Mon 9 Dec 85 03:01:00-PST
From: Haym Hirsh <HIRSH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: sail mail jingle
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: OTHER-SU-BBOARDS@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 7 Dec 85 10:58:00-PST
Message-ID: <12165699082.60.HIRSH@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
How about this sail mail jingle:
Do you know where your mail is at?
If you find yourself wondering that:
Then login to SAIL -
You won't lose your mail
As does the unlucky Vaughan Pratt.
Poor grammar, but it rhymes...
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∂09-Dec-85 0939 VAL mental situations
I'd like to show some new things to you. Are you going to be in this afternoon?
∂09-Dec-85 1005 WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA Notes and reminder of meeting tomorrow
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From: Terry Winograd <WINOGRAD@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: Notes and reminder of meeting tomorrow
To: Phd-committee: ;
Here are Victoria's notes (with a few additions of mine) from the last
meeting. We will meet at 10 tomorrow in 252. --t
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The following was discussed at the Ph.D. committee meeting Dec. 3, 1985:
The subject of today was the structure of the departmental qualifying
exams.
Everyone agreed that the reason we have a qualifying exam is to make
sure a student has sufficient breadth in his/her area. There were
several comments made about the current structure not allowing for the
student who wanted to combine several areas into one.
There were several examples given of different combinations that might
be of interest to some of the students. Among the possibilities
mentioned were a CSLI group that would include the areas of AI, SW, MTC.
Faculty members making up such a group would include Winograd, Pratt,
McCarthy, Linton, and Reid. Another possibility mentioned was a
Manufacturing Automation group. It would include Programming Languages,
Knowledge Representation, and Robotics. Faculty would include Reid and
Linton, plus perhaps Schott and Meindl from EE.
It was mentioned that a shift to individual vs. uniform quals would be a
good idea, but the big problem was that each qual would have to be
written by an individual faculty member. Terry reminded the committee
that any three faculty could set an exam and provide the individual
structure. There followed some discussion about worst scenarios, etc.,
but the general feeling was that it could be done with careful planning
and execution.
We discussed the possibility of a qualifying exam more suited to the
particular student's area of interest, perhaps in conjunction with a
thesis proposal.
It was decided that there should be a public syllabus available in each
qual area written by either faculty or advanced students. Currently,
they exist in only a few areas.
The following suggestions were made regarding the actual scheduling of
qual exams:
1. If possible each area should offer the qual twice during the
academic year.
2. Exams should be scheduled in such a manner as to make it easy
to take more than one (e.g., don't have AI and Systems around
the same time).
3. Dates of exams for the given year should be publicized as early as
possible (probably no later than Thanksgiving), to allow students
ample planning/preparation time.
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∂09-Dec-85 1049 RA reviewing a draft manuscript
Valerie Montenegro from the American Association for the Advancement of
Science called. She wanted to ask you whether you would be willing
to review a draft manuscript of a symposium titled Advances in Cognitive
Science. The manuscript is ready and they want your opinion whether it
is worth publishing. Her number is (202) 326 6460.
She would like you to call her back.
Thanks.
∂09-Dec-85 1123 RA your trip expenses
Re the receipts you gave me, are they to be sent as an invoice somewhere
or are they to be charged to one of your accounts?
Thanks.
∂09-Dec-85 1132 HEWETT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Sail Mail jingle
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Date: Mon 9 Dec 85 11:30:47-PST
From: Mike Hewett <HEWETT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Sail Mail jingle
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: su-bboard@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165791888.55.HEWETT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Sail, Sail, Sail your Mail,
Gently down the Net.
Merrily merrily merrily merrily,
You won't be upset.
- Mike Hewett
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∂09-Dec-85 1251 RA MCC
Jan Vardaman from MCC would like to talk to you about your last visit to
ICOT, Japan. Her no. (512) 834 3350.
∂09-Dec-85 1318 LES Facilities Committee Minutes for '85 Dec. 6
To: facil@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, BScott@SU-SCORE.ARPA,
Reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Next meeting: 12:00 Noon on Wednesday, January 8, 1986 in MJH 301.
This meeting during Dead Week was attended by the following die-hards:
Len Bosack, Dave Cheriton, Tom Rindfleisch, and Les Earnest.
Responses to the note on "CSD Administrative and Instructional Computing,"
which was circulated to the Committee on November 27, included suggestions
for additional services that are needed and two opinions to the effect
that we should be much more demanding of University support for
instructional computing.
A wide-ranging discussion of network file service needs ensued, eliciting
the following observations, among others:
1. Intelligent network monitoring is needed in present networks
to detect and report degenerative situations that call for
reconfiguratation or redesign.
2. Planning for a distributed file system must deal with the endlessly
difficult problem of security and access control which, if anything,
is becoming messier.
3. While it would be most advantageous to have a single standard set of
file service protocols, this will not happen in the forseeable future.
Given that it would be very difficult to alter the ways various
existing operating systems access remote files, our best chance
is to build file servers with a great deal of flexibility in their
network interfaces so that they can be adapted to a variety of file
services using the various manufacturer's protocols. There should
be a primary "standard" file service but others will coexist.
Dave Cheriton expressed interest in tackling the file server problem
provided that adequate financial support can be found. He plans to
put together a proposal with specific goals.
Les Earnest
Facilities Committee Chair
∂09-Dec-85 1339 GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA Sjodin@Score
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From: Lynn Gotelli <GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Sjodin@Score
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: Sjodin@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Gotelli@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165813474.21.GOTELLI@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
John, I have increased the Score disk allocation for the
<Sjodin@Score> account from 1000 to 2000 pages. Gunnar
stopped by my office a few minutes ago to request this
additional disk space and said he had mentioned it to you.
Lynn
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∂09-Dec-85 1400 JMC
pub ijcai report
∂09-Dec-85 1456 LES Pub to ESP
The command sequence is
pub <file>
esp <file>.xgp
∂09-Dec-85 1546 VAL new time for the non-monotonic seminar
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, phayes@SRI-KL.ARPA
Michael Beeson wants to attend our seminar, but Wednesday is a bad day for him.
What if we move it to Thursday next quarter, 2, 3 or 4 pm?
∂09-Dec-85 1655 VAL new time for seminar
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, phayes@SRI-KL.ARPA
John will have a class at 2:15, and Nils pointed out a conflict with the
colloquium if we meet later. What about 1pm? What about Tuesdays, either
before or after John's class?
∂09-Dec-85 1900 JMC
Michael McCarthy re technology opinion
∂09-Dec-85 2309 HST gwai-85
hi john. the gwai-volume is now ready. i took 18 of your slides and typed
them together. This made a paper: What is Common Sense and How to form
alize it - Condensed Slides. Do you have any objections?
transferring the museum material has proved to be a hard thing: our kermit
seems to be faulty. do you have a vax with vms around?
herbert. How is mother and baby?
∂10-Dec-85 0001 SHARKANSKY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA SAIL jingle
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From: Stefan Sharkansky <SHARKANSKY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: SAIL jingle
To: su-bboard@SU-SUSHI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12165928016.8.SHARKANSKY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Who am I?
I have an unusual keyboard,
and McCarthy is king on my bboard.
When you want to eat come to me,
I also let you watch TV.
My slogan is "Take Me I'm Yours,"
You know who I am of course.
I am a computer called SAIL,
and I'll take good care of your mail.
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∂10-Dec-85 1018 RA Turing Award paper
Debra Cotton from Association for Computing Machines called to ask what
the title of your Turing Award paper was. Please let me know and I will
call her back.
Thanks.
∂10-Dec-85 1145 RA Mac World Magazine
Christopher Burg from Mac World wanted to ask you a few questions
re a review they are doing on a LISP product. His tel: (415) 861 3861.
∂10-Dec-85 1435 RA xeroxed papers
I put the two papers you wanted me to xerox on your desk.
∂10-Dec-85 1722 LES Courtesy Account Policy
To: BScott@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Reges@SU-SCORE.ARPA
CC: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, Nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA, Bosack@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Here is the policy that was adopted in the Department meeting today,
with a last sentence added to cover the point raised by JMC.
I suggest that we have a short discussion on implementation soon.
Les
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Policy on Courtesy Computer Accounts
PURPOSES. It is the policy of CSD to provide limited access to
departmental computer resources at no cost to certain people with close
ties to the department. The purpose of this access is to facilitate
communication with department members and to provide access to information
resources at Stanford. The departmental purpose is to stimulate exchanges
of information with outside members of computer research and teaching
communities and to engender goodwill.
INITIATION. Departing CSD students, faculty, and staff members will
normally be granted a grace period of up to 90 days to move or purge their
computer files if they request it in advance. Otherwise, files will be
purged on termination.
Individuals may be granted ongoing courtesy accounts upon approval by a
principal investigator or other person with account commitment authority.
Any cost of such courtesy accounts shall be charged to the University
accounts of the approving authority. Courtesy accounts on Department-
supported computers (e.g. SUSHI) or that are to be charged against
Departmental unrestricted funds shall be approved by the Department
Chairman. Individual charges against Departmental unrestricted accounts
shall not be permitted to exceed $10 per month.
Courtesy account users shall be informed that the account is for their
personal use and should not be made available to others. They shall
also be informed of any cost or other constraints on the use of the
account.
RECORDS AND REVIEW. For each courtesy account, whether it involves direct
charges or not, a record shall be kept of the reason the account was set
up, who approved it, and the termination date or conditions, if any.
Principal Investigators and the Department Chairman shall establish
procedures for periodically reviewing courtesy accounts to ensure that the
cost is consistent with their purposes and that they are terminated when
appropriate. Where possible, charge or resource constraints shall be
enforced automatically. Otherwise, accounts shall be reviewed by someone
monthly and appropriate action shall be taken to curb any abuses.
Accounts that are supported with Departmental funds that have not been
used for a year shall be purged whether or not there are direct charges
involved.
Whenever courtesy accounts are to be purged, their files shall first be
archived.
∂10-Dec-85 2128 PACK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA AI Qual
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From: Leslie Kaelbling <PACK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: AI Qual
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166162279.10.PACK@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Do you know when the AI qual will be held (approximately) next Spring?
I'm making plans to go to Europe in the early summer, so I need to
plan. If you don't know, do you know who the head of the qual
committee is?
Stan and I just about have a paper ready (for the reasoning about
Knowledge conference). I'll send you a copy -- I'd be interested in
your reactions.
Any general tips on how to go about studying for the qual would also
be appreciated.
Thanks,
Leslie
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∂10-Dec-85 2148 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Purity
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Date: Tue 10 Dec 85 21:43:44-PST
From: Jamison R. Gray <JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Purity
To: givan@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
cc: laube@SU-SUSHI.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166165614.8.JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Is mapcan really impure? And thus mapcar? Seems like they don't do
anything that couldn't be done with the usual stuff, and they certainly
don't have any side effects.
I also experimented with remove-if in one of my programs, because I came
across it in winston & horn while looking up "lambda". I think the above
things are also true of this.
Let me know if these aren't allowed. I could replace them by making up a
couple more functions, but I'd rather not, since I have other things to
do tonight (got a family of u's and v's to feed back home!).
-- Jamie
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∂10-Dec-85 2250 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA earlier purity
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Date: Tue 10 Dec 85 22:47:03-PST
From: Jamison R. Gray <JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: earlier purity
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166177141.19.JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Prof. McCarthy-
could you respond to the earlier message (to bob) that I cc'ed you in on?
I can't be sure he'll log in. I'd appreciate it.
Jamie
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∂10-Dec-85 2336 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA should I bother?
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Date: Tue 10 Dec 85 23:33:50-PST
From: Jamison R. Gray <JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: should I bother?
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166185658.19.JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
I've just taken stock of things and realized how terribly I'm doing in
this class. I just picked up problem set 2, the second set of programs, and
saw 35/100; my psets 3 and 4 are probably similar, since I was entertaining
dropping the course around that point. All along, I've put off the
decision to drop, so the stuff didn't get done, and now it look like maybe
staying in the class was the wrong decision.
I could probably do much better on those things now, especially pset 2,
which would be elementary. My midterm grade was 77, although that was
mainly due to bad use of time - I skipped the first problem entirely in
order to do the rest nearly perfectly, and never had a chance to get back.
What do you think I should do? I've finished the programming parts of
the final without great difficulty, and I'm working on the proofs.
I think I can finish up with a decent job on the final. But so, I suppose,
will most of the rest of the class, so the deciding factor in grades will
probably be problem sets, where I'm sure I rank close to the bottom.
Would a good job on the final get me a C even with pathetic assignment
grades? Would an incomplete be possible? I really believe I could do
a good job on the proofs, and I could probably LISP anything now.
But I know nobody wants to grade things so long after they're due.
I've kept putting off this message because I'm not used to having to
ask this sort of thing; my first quarter at Stanford has introduced me
to my own potential for mediocrity.
If it's possible for me to get a B or C, I'll shoot for it. Maybe I
could even improve some of my assignment scores by the end of the week;
Bob's probably good-natured enough not to mind grading them, and
I have avoided looking at any solutions. (Being a TA has made me very
aware of honor code issues) But it's a D/F tossup, I suppose it's best
for me to not turn in the final, and take NC. I guess it hinges on
how you plan to grade.
I know it's really silly of me to raise the issue at this time, but
I can't help it now. Please let me know what I can do.
Sincerely,
Jamie Gray
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∂11-Dec-85 0900 JMC
Teller
∂11-Dec-85 0942 JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA re: should I bother?
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From: Jamison R. Gray <JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: re: should I bother?
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Wed 11 Dec 85 09:06:00-PST
Message-ID: <12166295904.16.JGRAY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Thanks for responding; unfortunately (predictably?) I'm bogged down
in the proofs, but I'll see what I can do.
How about the mapcar and mapcan issue? Can I use them in the programs,
or should I rewrite?
--Jamie Gray
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∂11-Dec-85 1020 RA will not be able to attend the SDI meeting.
Martin Anderson's office called to let you know that he will not be able
to attend the SDI meeting because he will be on vacation.
∂11-Dec-85 1021 WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA sail jingles.
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From: Marianne Winslett <WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: sail jingles.
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166303009.20.WINSLETT@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
First, a really stirring ditty, to the tune of Ten Thousand Men of
Harvard (to appreciate this you really must know the original):
Ten thousand ARPA messages
We forwarded today.
Ten thousand ARPA messages--
Delivered all today!
We guarantee
Delivery!
We send them out!
And BACK THEM UP!
Ten thousand ARPA messages
We process ev'ry day!
It's to be part of a TV spot, where you see the thousands of
little SAIL circuits humming away, passing packets and bundles
of messages to each other and vigorously singing as they work.
Definitely my favorite.
For a more conventional advertising spot, one can grind out
drivel for any tune:
Miles ahead of
All the rest
Sail's mail service
Is the best!
Fast response
And forwarding;
Disk crash? You won't
Lose a thing!
User friendly,
Special keys,
TV channels---
Sail will please!
Vessel mascot,
Radio;
`E' is easy
Once you know!
When you want some
Message fun
Just remember
Sail's the one!
Just like the stuff you have to listen to on TV and radio.
Limericks are unsingable.
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∂11-Dec-85 1502 CLT please bring
dab.dvi[rum,clt] from the dover
thanks
∂11-Dec-85 1634 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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From: HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
To: jmc@su-ai
John, do you ever send messages to Victor Kuo at U. Penn? What
address do you use. I've tried a bunch, including
kuo.upenn-graded at csnet-relay and a number of variants, but
nothing seems to work. Any advice? -- Joe
∂11-Dec-85 1636 RA Susan
Please call your daughter Susan at home.
∂12-Dec-85 1119 RA industrial lectureship
Which quarter does the anouncement refer to?
∂12-Dec-85 1158 AI.ELLIE@MCC.ARPA hotel reservations
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Subject: hotel reservations
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: ai.ellie@MCC.ARPA
Dr. McCarthy, your hotel reservations are at the Hawthorne Suites
(which is the new name of the Brookhollow) with a guaranteed late
arrival Monday, December 16 through December 19. If I can be of any
further assistance, please let me know. Ellie
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∂12-Dec-85 1355 HADDAD@SU-SUSHI.ARPA connection machine
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From: Ramsey Haddad <HADDAD@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: connection machine
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12166604031.24.HADDAD@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
At the last faculty meeting, you expressed interest in Thinking
Machines' Connection Machine. I became aware that one of our third
year Ph.D. students had worked on one and asked him if he would be
willing to answer questions that you had as you explored the
capabilities of the machine further. His response:
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Date: Thu 12 Dec 85 12:16:50-PST
From: John Lamping <LAMPING@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: connection machine
To: HADDAD@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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Sure. My involvement was mostly one of being around for a while during
design discussions, but that give me a fair idea of what the machine
is (was) about, and what its designers thought about it.
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Hope that he can be of some help to you,
Ramsey.
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∂12-Dec-85 1646 KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA 306 Finals....To be returned?
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From: Kim W. Tracy <KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: 306 Finals....To be returned?
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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I would really like to get my proofs back as I would like to have
a copy of my masterpiece.
Is such in the plan or can it be?
Kim Tracy, KTRACY@SUSHI
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∂12-Dec-85 1528 VAL strips
To: mcvax!vu44!klipper!siklossy@SEISMO.CSS.GOV
CC: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Thank you for letting me know about your interesting 1975 paper. I see now that
some remarks I made in my recent talk repeat what you wrote 10 years ago: that
the dividing line between "good" and "bad" STRIPS-style axiomatizations is
non-trivial, and that NEXTTO is handled in a peculiar way in the Fikes-Nilsson
paper when ROBOT is one of the arguments.
But these observations suggested to me the direction of work somewhat different
from what you did in your paper. Instead of designing software tools for
exhibiting peculiriaties of STRIPS operator descriptions, I tried to find a
semantics with respect to which even these peculiar systems are sound. For
instance, the operators from the Fikes-Nilsson paper seem to never produce
incorrect results if we start with the initial world model described in the
paper. The reason is that ROBOT never appears as the second argument of NEXTTO
in the initial world model or on the add lits. My impression is that the
authors did that quite consciously: they decided not to inlcude atoms of the form
NEXTTO(...,ROBOT) in the delete list of PUSH because they knew that it was not
necessary. My goal was to describe how this trick works in general terms.
∂12-Dec-85 1704 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA CSD Retreat
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: CSD Retreat
To: "Retreat List": ;
Message-ID: <12166638320.15.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
At last Tuesday's CSD faculty meeting we decided to hold a CS retreat on
Saturday, Jan. 4. Topics for discussion include the long range future
of the department, growth, research directions, the undergraduate major
and other matters that might be suggested. (Please send any suggestions
to me and I will attempt to integrate them into an agenda.) It was
decided at the faculty meeting that the following people ought to be
invited to the retreat: faculty, consulting faculty, CS-related EE
faculty, courtesy faculty, senior research associates, senior staff, and
student bureaucrats. (I hope I got all of these on this distribution
list.)
I have reserved the Frank Duveneck House at Hidden Villa in Los Altos.
We will plan to start with doughnuts, juice and coffee at 9:30, meeting
starting at 10:00, have a catered light lunch, continue thru the
afternoon, and perhaps end with refreshments at 5. Some kind of on-line
map of how to get to Hidden Villa will be distributed before the
retreat. (It's about a 5-minute drive hillward from Foothill College.)
Dean Jim Gibbons may be able to join us for some or all of the
day.
So that we can estimate catering needs please let Anne Richardson
(Richardson@score) know soon if you can come. (Acceptances only.)
-Nils
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∂12-Dec-85 2038 CLT calendar item
thu 19-dec 14:00 hurds to see timothy
∂12-Dec-85 2147 OWEN@SU-SCORE.ARPA Gold production
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From: Art Owen <OWEN@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Gold production
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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I seem to remember hearing that present yearly production is about
2% of the amount on hand. I do not recall whether the amount on hand
was restricted to holdings of bullion or if it included jewelry etc.
Art
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∂12-Dec-85 2216 VAL re: strips
[In reply to message rcvd 12-Dec-85 16:52-PT.]
It's L. Siklossy, who wrote the paper when he was at Austin, jointly with
P. Roach. I don't know where he is now, but he's read the abstract of my talk
somewhere and sent me a message suggesting that I read his paper in AIJ.
∂13-Dec-85 0941 RA Fredkin
The address you gave me for Fredkin does not match what you have on file;
you gave me 166 Hyslop, Brookline, MA. What is it?
∂13-Dec-85 1000 JMC
tencom
∂13-Dec-85 1209 RA be back
I am going out and will be back around 1:30.
∂13-Dec-85 1223 GCOLE@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Lord Peter
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From: George Cole <GCOLE@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Lord Peter
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Message-ID: <12166849481.9.GCOLE@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
You are absolutely correct. Wimsey. Peter Death Bredon Wimsey. Mea culpa.
George
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∂13-Dec-85 1414 IAM
i left a copy of my abstract for clt to look at with ra, could you give it
to her, thanx ian
∂13-Dec-85 1517 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
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From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 13 Dec 85 12:02:00-PST
Message-ID: <12166881550.59.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
John,
Yes, I have spoken to John Boose and agreed to participate in the
workshop. I think that it is a good idea. I cautioned Boose to include
people in machine learning who have not worked directly on knowledge system
construction, so we can exchange points of view. I also advised that he
include people who are using an automatic programming approach (particularly
at ISI). I think he will follow up on this advice, and we'll have a good
meeting.
Yes, lunch. I've been enjoying a few weeks without travel, and am
finally feeling settled again. Friday is the Sumex Christmas Party lunch.
How about Wednesday or Tuesday?
Bill
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∂13-Dec-85 1737 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
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From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 13 Dec 85 15:22:00-PST
Message-ID: <12166907167.59.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
John, Monday is okay. Your office at noon or the faculty club entrance
of the dining room?
Bill
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∂13-Dec-85 1844 greep@camelot Programmable operating system interface
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From: Steven Tepper <greep@camelot>
To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>
Subject: Programmable operating system interface
In-Reply-To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA> / 13 Dec 85 1732 PST.
I am interested in such a thing. I work for LOTS and we (Ralph Gorin
and I) have been considering what kind of operating system to run on
workstations. So far I have been working on V with David Cheriton's group
but there is a good chance that I will drop V because of problems in
maintainability. One alternative is to start over, possibly taking parts
of V or Unix as a base. In any case, V does not offer much of interest in
terms of its user interface, and this is an area I hope to address. I have
talked to Les Earnest about this and expressed my interest in working with
your project if there is an overlap of areas of interest.
∂13-Dec-85 1857 greep@camelot re: Programmable operating system interface
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Subject: re: Programmable operating system interface
In-Reply-To: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA> / 13 Dec 85 1852 PST.
OK. The point I meant to make is that there is some chance I will
be doing something along those lines for LOTS anyway, so it is not
a question of funding from my standpoint.
∂13-Dec-85 2116 avg@su-aimvax.arpa Re: Help: cwd in Unix prompt (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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John, actually one can write a program in any of several languages,
such as C, Pascal, and Lisp, to do what they want to do. These
languages can all call the necessary Unix routines using their own
syntax. But, I guess it's "more fun" to do it in Unix-ese.
∂13-Dec-85 2124 POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA programmable operating system
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From: Bill Poser <POSER@SU-CSLI.ARPA>
Subject: programmable operating system
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
To agree with you for once, I hope somebody takes up your offer. I
like UNIX, butI have to admit that I find programming in VAX Assembler
more comfortable than programming (beyond simple one liners) in either of
the shells. Has anyone ever made a serious attempt at this in the past?
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∂14-Dec-85 0010 MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Re: gold standard
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From: Jim McGrath <MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Re: gold standard
To: TREITEL@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
cc: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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Message-ID: <12166978155.8.MCGRATH@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
In 1982, world gold reserves were 947,070,000 troy oz (central banks
and member governments of the IMF and Switzerland). Total annual
production was 42,707,218 troy oz, or 4.5% of reserves. The largest
producer is South Africa, with 21,355,111. The United States produced
1,446,905, Canada 2,008,023, and the USSR less than 15,000,000.
Note than the IMF (103,440,000), the US (264,030,000), France
(81,850,000), West Germany (95,180,000), Italy (66,670,000),
Switzerland (83,280,000), UK (19,010,000), Netherlands (43,940,000),
Belgium (34,180,000), Japan (24,230,000), and Canada (20,260,000) -
i.e. NATO, Japan, a Western dominated institution, and Switzerland -
have over 836,000,000 troy oz of the reserves, or more than 85%. Thus
while the producers are important, the central banks and governments
seem to hold the upper hand.
Jim
PS note that the US currenty has $162,000,000,000 outstanding in
currency and coin. Thus a simple return to the gold standard would
implicitly peg gold prices at about $613 per troy oz.
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∂14-Dec-85 0900 JMC
Buy a copy of Broad for Joe.
∂14-Dec-85 0952 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
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From: William J. Clancey <CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: Knowledge acquisition workshop
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 13 Dec 85 17:38:00-PST
Message-ID: <12167084727.57.CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
That's even better for me. See you 12:30 at the Faculty Club on
Monday. Thanks.
Bill
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∂14-Dec-85 1005 GIVAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA
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From: Bob Givan <GIVAN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
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∂14-Dec-85 1146 KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Account on SAIL?
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From: Kim W. Tracy <KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Account on SAIL?
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12167104936.7.KTRACY@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
I would like to have an account on SAIL. At this point in
time, I do not have a project which entitles me to that account.
But, I know that there are some interesting items that are unique
to SAIL. So, I would like to be able to familiarize myself with
SAIL so that I can more knowingly pick a project.
Is there any problem with such a desire? If not, I would
appreciate it greatly if you could send an e-mail message to John
Reuling, saying as much. John Reuling said that such was required
for master's students. An account with minimum privileges would
probably be sufficient at this point.
Kim Tracy
KTRACY@SUSHI
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∂14-Dec-85 2117 JJW Books
I've finished reading the connection machine book, so I'll bring it in
tomorrow and leave it in your office if you're not there. I am quite
impressed by this machine's description.
If possible, could I get back from you the "Star Warriors" book? I'd like
to bring it along with me to show to my father. I can stop by your house
if you have it there.
∂15-Dec-85 1555 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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From: Mark Crispin <Crispin@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
cc: OTHER-SU-BBOARDS@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Fri 13 Dec 85 17:21:00-PST
Postal-Address: 1802 Hackett Ave.; Mountain View, CA 94043-4431
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
Message-ID: <12167412813.63.CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
There are those of us who feel that less should be done for the contras
in Nicaragua (who, after all, weren't all that democratic when they were
in power) and more should be done for the resistance in Afghanistan (which,
after all, was *invaded* by the USSR). I suspect that the Reagan government
is much more afraid of a more-or-less democratic Marxist state in the
Americas (the way Nixon was about Allende in Chile) than a bunch of peasants
being slaughtered in a backwater country in Asia.
It isn't hard to see way. A democratic Marxist government in the Americas
is a much greater danger to US foreign policy than the Soviets' occupation
of Afghanistan. Such a thing has to be prevented at all costs. Sometimes
I wonder why Fidel Castro (who is perhaps the most talented man in the world
when it comes to making the US look stupid) doesn't loosen up things a bit
in Cuba just for the shock value it would have in Washington. After all,
even in a truly free election his party isn't in much danger of getting
anything less than a landslide, since most of the anti-communist types have
long since left Cuba.
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∂15-Dec-85 1605 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Re: The enemy within
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Subject: Re: The enemy within
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sat 14 Dec 85 15:21:00-PST
Postal-Address: 1802 Hackett Ave.; Mountain View, CA 94043-4431
Phone: +1 (415) 968-1052
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I'm not an ACM member (I was so disgusted by the Jean S. vs. SIGART
hassle of ~10 years ago that I let my membership lapse), but I'll
look up that letter. Perhaps more serious computing professionals
should dump ACM. I'm in IEEE and AAAI, both of which seem to have
much more worthwhile publications!
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∂15-Dec-85 1824 CRISPIN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Subject: re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>" of Sun 15 Dec 85 16:06:00-PST
Postal-Address: 1802 Hackett Ave.; Mountain View, CA 94043-4431
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SAIL really needs a BBoard adding procedure that doesn't coerce
other sites into using the OTHER-SU-BBOARDS address.
It might have been "changing the subject", but the point was that
perhaps if we spent more time giving the Soviets a hard time in
Afghanistan than the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, there wouldn't be
a genocide in Afghanistan. I don't believe there is any reason
to believe there is a serious danger of genocide in Nicaragua, so
our harassment activities are misplaced.
I accept your correction re: amendments. I admit that I don't
have the exact order memorized. I really wish in school civics class
we spent time on the Constitution rather than on some of the idiotic
stuff we did spend time on. What I know about the Constitution I got
from reading it myself, NOT from school.
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Michelle of Prof. Victor Lesser's office of the University of Massachusetts
phoned, regarding Michael Genesereth. Please call and ask for Michelle.
413 545-4389.
Tina
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∂16-Dec-85 0910 CLT
calendar item
fri 20-dec 16:00 ian (talk)
∂16-Dec-85 1100 VAL new time for the seminar
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I have computed the set of all afternoon time slots which satisfy all people who
are strongly interested in the seminar. The set is empty. The only remaining
option is Tuesday mornings, say, 11am. Is this OK? If not, I'll tell Beeson that
we can't accomodate him. (Incidentally, our current time on Wednesdays apparently
creates a conflict for some SRI people).
∂16-Dec-85 1119 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA confirmation
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John, I assume that I'll see you at the faculty club at 12:30 today?
Bill
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∂16-Dec-85 1137 RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Genesereth
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From: Anne Richardson <RICHARDSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Genesereth
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I trust you are handling the thank you letters to those sending
letters regarding Genesereth. (?)
Anne
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∂16-Dec-85 1224 RA leaving
I am going out for lunch and then to the library.
∂16-Dec-85 1410 VAL reply to message
[In reply to message rcvd 16-Dec-85 11:55-PT.]
Interpret the first three formulas as
¬ab1 ⊃ r
¬ab2 ∧ q ⊃ ¬r
¬ab3 ∧ p ⊃ ab2
Minimize the abs with ab3>ab1,ab2.
Do we want ¬r to follow from np(q,r) and q? If not, we should better
translate the second formula by
¬ab2 ∧ q ⊃ ab1
and define the priorities by ab3>ab2>ab1.
∂16-Dec-85 1441 VAL reply to message
[In reply to message rcvd 16-Dec-85 11:55-PT.]
The interpretation of your np-notation I proposed in the previous message can
be described in a systematic way, if you agree to write np(q,n(r)) instead of
np(q,r). Then we can say that in np(A,B) formula B must always start with
the negation of some ab (in the antecedent), and then np(A,B) is A⊃ab for that
ab.
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∂13-Dec-85 1721 JMC re: Afghanistan (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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The Associated Press has a story about military action in Afghanistan
about every other day. Perhaps the Bay Area newspapers don't print them
all the time. From the American journalistic point of view there is no
substantial issue about Afghanistan. Occasionally, U.S. journalists venture
into Afghanistan, and one was killed there, but none seem to take it
seriously enough to learn the language.
The U.S. is supporting the anti-communist
side with some supplies, and there seems to be no substantial opposition
to this. Unfortunately, there also seems to be no substantial demand to
increase it. I have read that the CIA has a policy against sending agents
into Afghanistan for fear that one will be captured and that then the
newspapers will demand concessions to the Russians to get him out.
The "peace movement" prefers to ignore Afganistan, because
they regard taking the massacre seriously as interfering with the more
important issue of nuclear war. To one who believes the danger of nuclear
war as being no different than it has been for a long time, there is some
thought left over for Afghanistan. At various times I have left publicity
in the CS lounge from organizations that buy boots and other non-weapon
supplies for Afghan guerrillas.
While I'm not sure the U.S. Government can do much differently than
it is doing, it should spend more if this can be done effectively. In
particular the anti-communists should be sent U.S. anti-helicopter
missiles and not merely ancient Russian missiles obtained from the
Egyptians (if indeed the U.S. is in any way helping send those missiles).
The main problem with the lack of publicity is that the Russian
massacres in Afghanistan are killing more people by a factor of 100
than are being killed anywhere else, and making a quarter of the population
flee the country as refugees is another enormous crime. The lack of
publicity means that it is hard to get public support for preventing
similar communist behavior in the Western Hemisphere. The desire to
inhibit aid to the contras is another reason for not mentioning Afghanistan.
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∂13-Dec-85 1726 JMC re: Slides of 2300 mile walk thru the Soviet Union (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Don't complain Sergio. Emphasizing that the Russians are people
helps distract attention from the behavior of their government in
Afghanistan and other places. Perhaps it's a reasonable error in that
the visitor would discover that the other Soviet peoples find it
advantageous to give up their native languages as long as they are
inhabitants of the Russian Empire.
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∂13-Dec-85 1732 JMC re: Help: cwd in Unix prompt (from SAIL's BBOARD)
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Would anyone like to work on developing an operating system that
can be programmed in a decent way (along with other desiderata)?
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∂16-Dec-85 1645 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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Barbara Simmonson of IBM Research phoned, regarding Dinner Thursday night.
Please call. 408 927-1785.
Tina
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∂17-Dec-85 0621 AN02@A.CS.CMU.EDU Genesereth
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From: Allen.Newell@A.CS.CMU.EDU
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John: Somehow the end of the semester collapsed on me and now that
the smoke has cleared I realize that the letter about Mike Genesereth
never made it (along with a couple of others). And it turns out I am
leaving on trip in a couple of hours. So here is a quick assessment
of Mike. I will follow this up with a signed letter when I return.
(If I really have blown it, and this letter is all beside the point
by now, let me know.)
This letter, like those I have sent on other candidates, is an
attempt to give you as straight an assessment as I know how.
I know Mike only moderately well, but I know him from reputation and
I have looked at the MRS work and some of its surround fairly
carefully. For instance, when Mike came through here a few weeks
ago, not only did we spend some time together, but the advanced AI
course in comparative problem solving systems spent that class period
discussing MRS (with Mike in attendance and helping out).
The upshot first: I think that Mike is good but not great. By good,
I mean good by Stanford's standards; by not great, I mean it seems
unlikely that he will have a major effect on the course of AI or
computer science -- that history will declare him to one of the top
five contributors to AI at this last quarter of a century.
He is certainly suffiently smart, ambitious, energetic, articulate,
productive and knowledgeable, and has a sense of the field. But the
scientific discoveries do not seem to be there in his contributions
to date, nor I think will they be there in the future.
MRS is in fact interesting. And I think it does have modest chances
of changing the face of AI. It is an important proposal (and
implementation) for into what the form should be of an architecture
for a generally intelligent system.
For instance, I consider that Soar, my own theory (and
implementation) of an architecture for general intelligence (with
John Laird and Paul Rosenbloom), has substantial chances of being an
important scientific event in AI. When I look around at the
scientific competition, so to speak, MRS is certainly at the top of
the list (and we have in effect just spent a semester in the course
mentioned above looking at the full range of general reasoning and
problem-solving systems). And I think I have learned a few things
from MRS. However, not a lot and I don't see any of the secondary
characteristics of great scientific advance in MRS -- new insight,
new phenomena, new high water marks. They do happen in AI, you know,
and not just as a function of the chararisma of the scientist. We
are seeing one in Hitech at the moment. Everything feels different
about that program. Something phenomenal is going on that transends
the usual categories that whether one believes in knowlege or search,
logic or otherwise. Hitech is telling us something new about the
puzzle of intelligence. What is MRS telling us? I don't find it.
Even if I admit that the general approach of MRS in terms of logic is
the right way for the architecture to be.
Comparison with others? Well, I can't find that awful list you sent,
and anyway, comparison with your own seems better to me than with his
contemporaries. Mike is on a par with Cordell Green. He is
distinctly less than our friend Doug Lenat. I have troubles making
up my mind with respect to Jerry Feldman, I think I take Jerry,
because of Jerry's scientific taste. He is less than Alan Kay.
Although I have many qualms about Alan's contributions, he has
clearly satisfied the major criteria of having made a difference to
the course of the science. I won't compare with Terry because he
remains on your faculty. All of these are comparisons with the
people at the time. (I can't quite recall about Alan whether it was
for a tenure slot, or whether he just left. I can recall clearly
how I preceived him then, because we tried very hard to get him to
come to CMU.) And the fact that you let some of these people go,
isn't a sign that you should do so with Mike. You could easily have
been wrong in your judgments, as I indeed believe you were in several
cases.
In sum, Mike is plenty good enough to be a full professor of computer
science at Stanford.
AN
∂17-Dec-85 1045 danny@THINK-AQUINAS.ARPA comments on book
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From: Danny Hillis <danny@THINK-AQUINAS.ARPA>
Subject: comments on book
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA, danny@THINK.COM
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Thank for your comments on the book. In answer to you question:
The reference on page 84 to (Bracewell 84) is not in references.
Which Bracewell is it?
Bracewell, R.N., ``The Fast Hartley Transform,'' Proc IEEE, Vol 72, No. 8. Aug 84
(Gives fast version of transform similar to FFT, includes sample program for FHT and FFT)
What is your opinion about the broadcasting of several, e.g. 4,
instruction streams and having a larger, e.g. 2 bit, condition field
in each processor? One stream could be no-op.
I think something like this is important to do. Right now the machine is
good at taking advantage of "data parallelism" but not "control
parallelism", so processors often sit around doing nothing until the
right instruction come along. I think we will have about 16 i-streams
on the next machine, unless someone can think of an even more general
solution. -danny
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∂14-Dec-85 1521 JMC The enemy within
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Objectors to the pejorative use of the word "hacker" should complain
to Adele Goldberg of Xerox PARC, the President of ACM, about her
December 1985 President's letter. See page 1266, column 3 of the
December CACM.
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∂18-Dec-85 1228 G.ROODE@SU-SCORE.ARPA text search machine
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Hey, interested in searching 1.5 Megabytes per second, with
complicated keys? I thought you would be. TRW has such a new
product, for which this is a conservative search speed, and they
mentioned something about interest in full text databases being 5-10
years away, and so I thought of your interests and AAAI. I gave them
Bob's name, so I will give you theirs. It is the Technology
Development department of the Information Systems Group. The names I
have are Paul Courcy at 213-590-7596 who is Advanced Systems Manager
and Dr. B.K. Richards who is the department director. This is a very
exciting new product and I would like to see it used to its full
capacity in high volume rather than artificially inflated prices due
to low volume and the cost standards established by old technology.
They mentioned being interested in AI and natural language applications.
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∂18-Dec-85 1238 VAL Non-Monotonic Reasoning Seminar
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There will be no more seminars until next quarter. Then THE DAY AND TIME OF THE
SEMINAR WILL CHANGE: We'll meet on Tuesdays, at 11am. The first meeting will be
on January 14. Ben Grosof will review "Temporal Reasoning and Default Logics",
a new paper by Hanks and McDermott.
Vladimir Lifschitz
∂18-Dec-85 1457 CLANCEY@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA open/closed worlds
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John,
My memory was right. Collins published a paper in Bobrow &
Collins, Representation & Understanding, 1975 which talks about open
and closed worlds. He cites an earlier discussion in IJCAI73,
Carbonell and Collins, 344-351.
Bill
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Squires says that it is not yet signed and that he will be gone for the
next week. He now predicts "first of the year."
∂19-Dec-85 0920 CONTRERAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA message
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Barbara Simmonson phoned, regarding the debate. She would like to know
how you feel about Dean Gibbons introducing Goldberger. Please phone.
408 927-1785.
Tina
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∂19-Dec-85 0937 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Amarel Visit
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Saul is tentatively planning to be here on Monday, Jan 13. He suggests
that he see you, me, and then Tom Binford in the morning; and then
see the KSL folks in the afternoon. He has agreed to come to dinner
at our house on Monday evening. His wife will accompany him. Can you
and Carolyn come that evening? I'll invite Ed and Penny also--and
perhaps Jim and Lynn Gibbons. -Nils
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∂19-Dec-85 0937 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Dinner
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Forgot to say that I'll also invite Tom and Ione Binford to dinner
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∂19-Dec-85 1046 RA your current events file
Where do you keep your Current Events file. I need it to get Vladimir
information about the foundation of AI conference in New Mexico in Feb.
Thanks.
∂19-Dec-85 1149 VAL reply to message
[In reply to message rcvd 16-Dec-85 11:55-PT.]
Two remarks on priorities by prevention:
1. We have more flexibility if np is viewed as the composition of two operators,
n and p. The former means "normally" and simply appends the antecedent ¬ab to
a formula. The latter means "prevents" and expresses that some condition implies a
certain ab (but it doesn't introduce a new ab). We may wish to say that birds
normally fly and that being an ostrich prevents this from being applicable
(always prevents, not "normally"; even so, this implies only that ostriches are
abnormal, not that they can't fly). In this simple example we have only one
aspect and don't need priorities, so we use p instead of np. And np(A), possibly
needed in more complex cases, stands for n(p(A)).
2. It seems that some priorities cannot be obtained in this way. When we formulate
the laws of motion, we want the descriptions of the normal effects of actions to
have a higher priority than the law of inertia. But formally they say nothing
about preventing inertia; they simply happen to imply that inertia has exceptions.
∂19-Dec-85 1457 VAL Workshop on Foundations of AI
The program looks interesting, and, if there is an opportunuty for me to attend,
I would certainly enjoy that. Of course, I would prefer to go with you rather than
instead of you. The discussion there will apparently concentrate on general issues
and I'm afraid I won't be able to contribute much.
∂19-Dec-85 1603 RA leaving early
I am leaving early because of a bad cold. See you tomorrow.
∂21-Dec-85 2133 MCCARTHY@SU-SCORE.ARPA elise
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∂21-Dec-85 2142 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
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In-Reply-To: Your message of 14 Dec 85 1521 PST.
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Would you happen to have an address for her?
-Peter Yee
yee@dali.berkeley.edu
∂22-Dec-85 0901 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
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John,
Right, I meant Adele Goldberg. Does she have an electronic mail
address, or should letters be sent via snailmail?
-Peter
∂22-Dec-85 1354 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
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In-Reply-To: Your message of 22 Dec 85 1001 PST.
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Date: 22 Dec 85 13:53:02 PST (Sun)
John,
Thanks for bringing up the ARPAnet directory. I queried the NIC
whois server. The address is Adele.PA@Xerox.ARPA (for future reference
or other requests). I appreciate your help and will send here a letter.
-Peter
∂22-Dec-85 1358 yee@dali.berkeley.edu Re: The enemy within
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Date: 22 Dec 85 13:57:47 PST (Sun)
John,
PS. You may thank Geoff Goodfellow (G.GEOFF@su-score.arpa) for
forwarding your note from the su-bboards. He sent it to
hackers←guild@berkeley.edu, the mailing list for the Berkeley (and beyond)
Hacker's Guild.
-Peter
∂23-Dec-85 1436 VAL new time for the seminar (what else!)
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The empty set of possibilities is even emptier than I thought: the time we
decided on, Tuesday 11am, recently turned out to be unacceptable to John. My
new suggestion is to schedule it for Thursday 4pm, which conflicts with CSLI
colloquia, and decide that we can skip the weeks when they have something
particularly interesting. Please tell me whether this is acceptable.
∂24-Dec-85 0133 yg%eecs.umich@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Expenses
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It was great to have you here.
We are waiting to hear from you about the expenses. Then we'll send the
reimbursement and the honorarium.
Happy New Year.
Yuri Gurevich
∂24-Dec-85 1443 VAL possible application of mental situations
Logicians in Leningrad developed, in the early '60s, an algorithm and program for
generating "natural" proofs of propositional formulas. They wanted the proofs
to use natural deduction, and also be natural in a much stronger sense: they
were supposed to look like straightforward formalizations of informal proofs
found by a human mathematician. One of the difficulties was connected with the
absence of a "continuous line of thought" in some proofs produced by their
program. E.g., an assumption could be introduced long before it is used. They
tried to cope with this using a number of ad hoc tricks, and were only partially
successful.
It occured to me that mental situations can be relevant here. A human mathematician
trying to prove a theorem is at every stage in some mental situation, which
determines the next step. An assumption is not introduced unless this mental
situation suggests a possible use for it. It may be interesting to try to
develop a proof-search method for propositional formulas which would work with
mental situations and see whether proofs become "natural" without any special
tricks. Or maybe the methods used in that old program can be interpreted in terms
of mental situations.
∂25-Dec-85 1409 JMC
Mary Mainland wrote American Spectator 1986 Jan. article re Mosher.
∂25-Dec-85 1659 CLT
I have spooled the following files. Please bring them when you come home.
Dover
LL.DVI[1,CLT]
DER.DVI[RUM,CLT]
Boise
DEMO.SEU[RUM,CLT]
CO.RUM[RUM,CLT]
COMB.RUM[RUM,CLT]
∂25-Dec-85 1713 KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA Sail-ing a-way
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From: Abraham Kohen <KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Subject: Sail-ing a-way
To: JMC@SU-AI.ARPA
Message-ID: <12170048000.10.KOHEN@SU-SUSHI.ARPA>
Hi. Since I've heard you praise the Sail system so often, I have decided to beg,
borrow or steal (oops, the last one is in violation of the Honor Code) an
account on SAIL. How do I get an account set up with programmer's name ABE ?
Thank you and happy holidays.
Abe
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∂26-Dec-85 1000 JMC
Phone or write Am. Spec. re Mary Mainland.
∂26-Dec-85 1451 LES Software Integrity
To: JMC
CC: RWW
Here are some thoughts in response to your idea of undertaking a study of
software integrity in earlier NASA, DoD, and commercial systems for the
purpose of assessing SDI software feasibility.
I too am unimpressed by the hand-waving attempts to prove the
impossibility of developing adequate software for SDI that have been put
forth to date. While it might make sense to try to clarify this issue by
doing a study such as the one you suggest, we should be careful not to
assert that this is the only major issue.
I have strong reservations about the cost-effectiveness of SDI, given the
apparent ease with which countermeasures can be devised. I know from
past experience that the DoD folks are perfectly capable of ignoring
countermeasure issues when pursuing a "grand plan." Frankly, SDI smells
like a boondoggle. Though I believe that SDI deserves further study, I
am afraid that this project is taking on a political life of its own
before the basic questions have been answered.
While it may be possible to get fairly crisp answers to the questions you
pose for some projects, the answers will necessarily be time-dependent,
given that most large programs get replanned and rescheduled
periodically. For example, cost over-runs are usually replanned out of
existance some time before the end of the project. Do you measure delays
and cost over-runs against the program that Congress originally approved,
against the advanced plan that was developed by the agency or according
the the plan in effect during the final year of implementation?
What constitutes a "bug" is often not clear. For example, gross
misconceptions by DoD planners regarding the feasibility of getting
timely, accurate data into and out of computer databases led to a number
of failures of command-control systems. Were those "bugs?" Those
systems certainly did not work as intended and were largely useless, even
after a couple of billion dollars had been poured into them.
In attempting to measure success or failure and the causes, we inevitably
get back to the central question: "Whose specifications do you use?"
∂27-Dec-85 1547 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Re: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: [Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>: Re: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA, rindfleisch@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
Message-ID: <12170556593.13.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Folks, We need to talk sometime about "receiving" Simpson and Saul on
Monday, Jan. 13. I trust my answer to Simpson is alright with everyone.
(Tom, you are welcome to sit in on the McC/Nilsson part of the morning also
if you want, but I thought I would give you the chance to show up a little
later if that suits you. John, I'd be glad to start talking to them but
I expect you will want to be a part of the discussion reasonably early on.
How about the following schedule:
8:30 -Nils (+ whoever else wants to show up)
9:30 -Nils and John (+ whoever else wants to show up)
11:00 -Tom (through "working lunch")
1:00 -deliver visitors to KSL
Are there other PI's whom they will want to see? -Nils
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Date: Thu 26 Dec 85 10:54:54-PST
From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Re: DARPA visit on 13 Jan
To: SIMPSON@USC-ISI.ARPA
cc: NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <[USC-ISI.ARPA]20-Dec-85 18:27:25.SIMPSON>
Message-ID: <12170241801.18.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Ok, Bob. We'll all be glad to see Saul again and to meet you on
Jan. 13. (I had already mentioned to Saul that the 13th am would
be fine.) I'll arrange with McCarthy and Binford. Probably we will
start with McC and me and then bring Binford in later in the am.
"0800" is a bit early for Binford and McC (who are used to working late
into the night), but I could make it that early if you really want to.
Maybe "0830" would be better? -Nils
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∂27-Dec-85 1548 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA [SIMPSON@USC-ISI.ARPA: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: [SIMPSON@USC-ISI.ARPA: DARPA visit on 13 Jan]
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA
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I forgot to send you Simpson's msg to me. Here it is.
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Subject: DARPA visit on 13 Jan
From: SIMPSON@USC-ISI.ARPA
To: nilsson@SU-SCORE.ARPA
Cc: amarel@USC-ISI.ARPA, sears@USC-ISI.ARPA
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Nils: I'm trying to arrange a review of DARPA/IPTO's programs at
Stanford for Saul Amarel. We're planning to visit several places
in the Palo Alto area and would appreciate it if we could visit
with you on the 13th from 0800 thru a working lunch (approx
1300)? We especially want to spend time with you, John McCarthy,
and Tom Binford (and other PI's that IPTO supports). We are
planning to spend the afternoon at the KSL. Please let me know
if this is conenient. There have been a number of changes here
at DARPA (new people like me, etc) and we certainly need to know
more about the technical issues being addressed by DARPA's
community of researchers. I'm looking forward to meeting you.
Thanks for your help! -- Bob Simpson
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∂27-Dec-85 1556 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Amarel Visit and Dinner
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Amarel Visit and Dinner
To: Gibbons@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA, tob@SU-AI.ARPA,
Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Buchanan@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
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As many of you know, Saul Amarel (the new Director of DARPA/IPTO
replacing Bob Kahn) is scheduled to visit the area during the week of
Jan. 13. He will be seeing some of the CS people during the day on
Monday, and he and his wife have accepted an invitation from Karen and
me to come to dinner at our house on Monday evening, Jan. 13. We would
be delighted if you and spouses could come also. Let's say 7. -Nils
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∂28-Dec-85 1320 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA CSD Retreat
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: CSD Retreat
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Message-ID: <12170791854.12.NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
All are reminded about the CSD faculty retreat on Saturday, January 4,
1986 at the historic Duveneck House at Hidden Villa Ranch. An agenda
will be circulated prior to the meeting. (Please send any suggestions
for agenda topics to me.) Also, if you have not yet notified Anne
Richardson (Richardson@score) about your attendance, please do so by
noon Monday, Dec. 30.
Here is a rough (and not-to-scale) map of how to get to the Duveneck
House at Hidden Villa. The turn-off to Hidden Villa Ranch is on Moody
Road about two miles beyond Foothill College. Park in the large parking
field which you will find on your right about a quarter mile up the
ranch road and then follow the signs to the Duveneck House. We'll begin
with coffee, etc. at 9:30 a.m. and start discussions promptly at 10:00.
Lunch will be provided, and we'll finish the day by 5 or so with wine
and cheese. (Please let Anne Richardson know by Monday noon if you have
any special dietary requirements as far as lunch is concerned.)
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∂29-Dec-85 2126 DAVIS%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU your recent letter
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From: Randall Davis <DAVIS@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU>
Subject: your recent letter
To: jmc@SU-AI.ARPA
CC: davis@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
Thanks for your follow-up note. I have been reading the material you sent
and will send a letter soon. It won't be there by Jan 1, but it will be
there soon after. Just wanted to let you know it was in the works.
regards
Randy
∂29-Dec-85 2318 ME mail address
∂29-Dec-85 2249 JMC
This address didn't work. How do I fix it?
Replying-To: DAVIS@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU
ME - Try "DAVIS%OZ"@MC. You must type the quotes to MAIL.
I'm not sure this'll work, but it might. We can't reach the
original address directly since domain resolvers are not in
place yet.
∂30-Dec-85 0930 RPG Question about Common Lisp
John, the Common Lisp group has been backed into the situation
of trying to get Common Lisp to be an ISO standard. We are in the
process of putting together the committee. Steele and I will
be on it, and we want to know whether you would join if asked.
We believe it would be important for you to be on the committee.
There are two possible committees: the technical and the strategic. The
technical committee decides the language. I'm not sure what the strategic
committee does; I think it tries to make sure that the language is
generally going in the right direction in the international community.
Would you consent to be on one or both of these committees, if asked?
-rpg-
∂30-Dec-85 1209 RA Caddes
Carolyn Caddes will call you in a little while.
∂30-Dec-85 1251 RA leaving
I am leaving now. See you tomorrow.
∂30-Dec-85 1447 Bobrow.pa@Xerox.ARPA Re: Lifschitz for editorial board
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In-reply-to: John McCarthy <JMC@SU-AI.ARPA>'s message of 30 Dec 85 12:34
PST
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Thanks for the suggestion of Vladimir. I will pass it on for approval
to the Editorial board next time I write them.
danny
∂30-Dec-85 1554 NII@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA An Invitation
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From: Penny Nii <NII@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: An Invitation
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A SURPRISE BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR ED
--------------------------------
I would like to invite you and your favorite partner to a SURPRISE party
for Ed's 50th birthday. The party is on Friday, January 24th at the
Faculty Club starting at 7:00 p.m. Ted Shortliffe will get Ed there
around 7:15. There will be a buffet dinner and some entertainment.
Bob Engelmore is the entertainment chairman, and if you have any good
ideas please let him know. I would like to know how many of you can
come so that I can order the right amount of food. Within the next few
days please let me know if 0, 1, or 2 of you are coming. I hope you can
come, and DON'T TELL ED.
Have a happy New Year...penny
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∂31-Dec-85 1631 NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA Gordon Bell Visit
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From: Nils Nilsson <NILSSON@SU-SCORE.ARPA>
Subject: Gordon Bell Visit
To: Feigenbaum@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, Ullman@SU-SCORE.ARPA, jmc@SU-AI.ARPA,
Meindl@SU-SIERRA.ARPA, Gibbons@SU-SIERRA.ARPA
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In connection with Gordon Bell's visit to Stanford, we think it would
be nice to invite Gordon and his wife, Gwen, to dinner on Tuesday
evening, Jan. 7. I'm checking into the possibility of cocktails and a
buffet type affair at the Chantilly on Ramona St. in Palo Alto. All
of you plus wives are invited. (Unfortunately John Hennessy will
be out of town, have I forgotten anyone else? Probably on the order
of a dozen or so people is about right.) Please let Anne Richardson
know (Richardson@score) about attendance. -Nils
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∂31-Dec-85 1804 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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To: jmc@su-ai
John, the people at Morgan Kaufmann told me they haven't yet gotten
a submission from you for the Knowledge Conference. You mentioned
to me a while ago that you thought this would be a good place to
publish all your previously unpublished notes. Do you still plan
to do that? If not, could you at least send a one or two page
abstract of your talk in? (Something like the abstract you sent me
in response to the call for papersm would be fine if you have nothing
else.) I'd like to have a record of all the talks that were given
in thehproceedings if at all possible.
Happy New Year! -- Joe
∂31-Dec-85 1811 HALPERN@IBM-SJ.ARPA
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Thanks, John.